I think that right now, I can pray in school without being laughed at any more. There was a time, when I was made fun of for being a Christian. There are people I go to school with that believe in Evolution, Muslim, Hindu, etc. that hate me because of my religion. I think it is very stupid that in school I can learn about (IN MY TEXTBOOK) about other religions, but yet I can't express my own religion in school. They are afraid they might offend someone, well I know several Christians who are offended by the fact that we can learn about Muslims (no offense), but yet we skipped over the section about Jesus in the 6th grade, because of the school board!

Do you think it is fair that we can't learn about Jesus in school?
But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15)

I am going to repost the important part of one of my posts which was buried under discussions of minor points.


I don’t think that they should necessarily teach Jesus in schools, because unless your in a religions class.
Like in a science class they should teach evolution and intelligent design, not evolution and creationism like some people want.
I believe in intelligent design and find the current system, both amusing and frustrating. The creationists, wont back of on issues like the age of the earth, a global flood, and no animal death before the fall so they will not ever get their theory taught in schools. They also won’t back Intelligent Design because, if anything they think of us as some variant of evolutionism. It is very strange.
So we are stuck with out many supporters because the evolutionists think of us as a disguised version of creationism, and creationist think of us as a disguised version of evolutionism.

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Sorry to disappoint you

Eh. I am over it.

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You actaully missed my point. I wanted YOUR abortion.

Sorry to disappoint you

You actaully missed my point. I wanted YOUR abortion.

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Just my luck.

Hey why don’t you ask an aspiring abortion doctor to marry you. That way he can get you pregnant, and kill the baby.

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Well maybe the guys who turn you down want to have kids.

Just my luck.

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Well I am never going to get married if people keep turning me down now am I?

Well maybe the guys who turn you down want to have kids.

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That’s highly unlikely considering that you are planning on having a abortion as soon as you get married.

Well I am never going to get married if people keep turning me down now am I?

I don’t think that they should necessarily teach Jesus in schools, because unless your in a religions class.
Like in a science class they should teach evolution and intelligent design, not evolution and creationism like some people want.
I believe in intelligent design and find the current system, both amusing and frustrating. The creationists, wont back of on issues like the age of the earth, a global flood, and no animal death before the fall so they will not ever get their theory taught in schools. They also won’t back Intelligent Design because, if anything they think of us as some variant of evolutionism. It is very strange.
So we are stuck with out many supporters because the evolutionists think of us as a disguised version of creationism, and creationist think of us as a disguised version of evolutionism.

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If I ever have a kid I am naming it God

That’s highly unlikely considering that you are planning on having a abortion as soon as you get married.

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If I ever have a kid I am naming it God

Wasn't there some controversy because of someone who wanted to do that some time ago?

If I ever have a kid I am naming it God

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We had a kid in school who we called Jesus.

Psh, I have one at home. My brother! Yeah, that's his name, Jesus.

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I have created a thread for this debate in the Spirituality board. Please move it there.

My responses to the scientific arguments about god will be at the new board.
http://boards.youthnoise.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/43510584663/m/75010163

We had a kid in school who we called Jesus.

Look.. Jesus when to my high school. He was pretty cool... I mean sure a little short, and strange taste in music, but hey! No one is perfect! Plus he was awesome in track!

So if you have Jesus in your school, just give the guy chance... He might be cool like our Jesus was.

I have created a thread for this debate in the Spirituality board. Please move it there.

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That’s fine except for the fact that I was referring to life forming under perfect conditions, meaning that the earth was already there. The composition of the sun, Earth's atmosphere and distance from the sun etc. are an entire different set of calculations.
Also even if the calculation was referring to 13 billion years, the outcome would be no different. The same mathematician who gave the “1 in 10 to ten billionth power” figure said that “If all the Matter in the Visible Universe were converted into the building blocks of life, and if assembly of these building blocks were attempted once every microsecond, for the entire age of the universe, then instead of the odds being 1 in ten to the 100,000,000,000 it would be 1 in 10 to the 99,999,999,961 power.

I read an article in a science magazine a while ago that said scientists have already done experiments where they mimiced the earth's eary conditions, (i.e. the primordial goo), with substances that would have had time to form and similar evironmental conditions in a lab, and they found that the "building blocks of life" were able to be made naturally.

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he's been looking at evolution with a bias towards it being false.

All the evidence against evolution is going to be published by people who don’t believe in evolution. However all the evidence that you have for evolution is by evolutionists. So your evidence will be just as biased as mine. All peoples work has some level Bias to it.
But People like Hugh Ross, are less biased because they have seen the issue from both sides, while many of the other people that you could quote have only seen the issue from one perspective.

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Yes, I was actually referring to the universe. That doesn't really change anything because in the 8.5 billion years before the Earth was created, the universe was getting everything else right (composition of the sun, Earth's atmosphere and distance from the sun, etc.).

That’s fine except for the fact that I was referring to life forming under perfect conditions, meaning that the earth was already there. The composition of the sun, Earth's atmosphere and distance from the sun etc. are an entire different set of calculations.
Also even if the calculation was referring to 13 billion years, the outcome would be no different. The same mathematician who gave the “1 in 10 to ten billionth power” figure said that “If all the Matter in the Visible Universe were converted into the building blocks of life, and if assembly of these building blocks were attempted once every microsecond, for the entire age of the universe, then instead of the odds being 1 in ten to the 100,000,000,000 it would be 1 in 10 to the 99,999,999,961 power.

Gah, a double post to answer a double post! I didn't see your second post until I had already submitted my first, which I now cannot edit.

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I looked at the current age of the Universe and Earth, and your 13 billion year number was actually the age of the universe, the earth has only been around for about 4.5 billion years.

Yes, I was actually referring to the universe. That doesn't really change anything because in the 8.5 billion years before the Earth was created, the universe was getting everything else right (composition of the sun, Earth's atmosphere and distance from the sun, etc.).

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while Darwinian evolution claims that phylum and class level differences emerge after long spans of divergence from lower categories.

Well there's your problem. Darwin knew nothing about the Cambrian explosion. Obviously he would have thought in terms of an evolutionary tree, whereas modern biologists think of an evolutionary bush.

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first how relatively recent, and how relatively short the event was.

I'm no biologist so I can't really answer this, but I've seen some good arguments in books I've read. Ironically, the best (in favor of random evolution causing this) was in a book mostly supporting intelligent design. That was an odd book...