First I would like to point out that according to the Word of God, God is a male figure. Call him what you'd like but youll find out what he is sooner or later.
Second, the reason that the children aren't learning as well as they should be is because of liberal school boards who care more about feelings than education and teacher unions who care more about jobs than accountability, but I digress. Harry Potter the fictional character is not evil. The things he uses to "fight evil" are. The Bible says so and that is why I believe it.
I applaud Avenger for knowing that people must stand up for God and His Word and naming himself for that. Thank you Aveneger.
Imagination is often used to let things like this get a free pass. Imagination isn't constructive if used for wrong things. We don't praise people for imagining sexual abuse. We don't praise people for imagining ways to murder people. And we shouldn't praise people for imagining things of evil.

Oh, and I think you mean "imagination" not "imigination" which doesn't mean anything, Brooke. Seems pretty trivial now that it come back to you doesn't it. I know what you mean when you misspell things and you know what Aveneger meant. Lets not "imagine" that we are english teachers and realize that we all type these posts quickly and make mistakes.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

It's hard not to be immature when so constantly bombarded by poorly reasoned drivel...I apologize for my regression.

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Not only that, harry potter is evil. Being a witch is evil. dont tell me it isnt.

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Are these not your words? And as for the movie not teaching us about magic, I maintain that J.K. Rowling is not trying to teach us about magic. We do not leave the movie having learned to fly about on a broom or open a lock with a magic wand or scurry about with an invisibility cloak. Your post of January 4 implies that you don't like Harry Potter because of the inaccuracy of the magic. How can it be inaccurate?!! It's made up!! We don't criticize Star Wars because the portrayal of Wookies is inaccurate and offensive to primates. We aren't meant to learn about magic, is my point. A school of magic and a world in which magic exist happen to be the setting of this particular work of non-fiction, but the movie isn't about magic per se.

(And I only mention your spelling and grammar because they materially weaken your argument which I suspect would be quite weak enough when presented properly).

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don't have that "I know I'm right and you know you're wrong so don't try to say otherwise" mentality. It's really childish and idiotic.

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Seems to me the only person saying "im right and your wrong" is you...

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. i think this is pathetic specially since a movie like lion king and the fox and the hound have way more violence than this.

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What would you say if i called you pathedic? huh? i have a right to my opinion. lion king and fox and th hound? i dont remember magic in those movies...

Brooke35, your name really annoys me, i mean what gives you the right to put a 35 in your name? i didnt think the magic number fairy gave you special privalages and allowed you to put a number in your name. it offends me.
Sounds stupid doesnt it?

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Go now, Shawn, be my AvengerofGod. Go to the NOISEboards and say stupid offensive things that make no sense.

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Wow, stupid offensive things that make no sense, hmm... wait a second, were talking about me? OH i thought we were talking about you!

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Secondly, you are a nit-wit

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Shutup Stupidhead.

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You say that Harry Potter is evil because he is a witch

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When did i say that? go ahead, quote me.

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You think no less of those who are evil?

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i think no less of you no matter who you are. unless you want to be ignorant and **** me off

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The movie doesn't presume to teach us anything about magic

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could of swore he was going to a magic school...

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Oh, and I think you mean "per se" and not "per- say," which doesn't mean anything.

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want me to pick out all your spelling mistakes? maybe its time to grow up a little.

Brooke35 how do you know god is a girl? Anyway I dont understand the problem here. Children read books, books get boring and children stop reading. Then a great series is published to attract children and encourage them to read. So then the children start to read again but then some stupid adult comes along and says that satan is in those pages. So many school districts ban the books and then children stop reading again and turn to vegitating tv shows and videogames instead and education lapses and you have the U.S. as the second to last on the brains list due to the fact that ignorance has once again steped in to rob children of knowledge and a sence of imagination which could in turn spark creativity and help the world out in the end! When does it end? People are way to power hungry and need to take a break. No wonder we need help in the education realm.

First of all, your name really bothers because it implies that God has granted you special permission to act like an arse on earth and invoke Her name in your defense, which She hasn't, to the best of my knowledge (but I haven't been to church in a numeber of years, so I might have missed it when God spoke and said unto you "Go now, Shawn, be my AvengerofGod. Go to the NOISEboards and say stupid offensive things that make no sense." Should this be the case, I apologize).

Secondly, you are a nit-wit with faultly logic and a poorly written argument. You say that Harry Potter is evil because he is a witch (a wizard more precisely, but given your clearly limited understanding and grasp of the world, I'll let that slide). But in the very sentence before you make this ridiculous and errouneous claim, you say that if someone wants to be a witch you would think no less of them. But I thought you said witches are evil? You think no less of those who are evil? Oh, they want to be witches for the wrong reasons, as you clarify. What, pray tell then, are the right reasons for wanting to be a witch, and by extension evil? I'm dying to know. You are calling a FICTIONAL boy who loves his parents, is loyal to his friends, stands up against dark forces, and teaches children about responsibility and fantasy "evil." That's just stupid, no matter how you look at it.

As for "teaching what magic is all about," that is just stupid. The movie doesn't presume to teach us anything about magic, merely about imigination. I hate to burst your bubble on this one, but magic (as we are conceiving it here, i.e. flying cars and magic wands and broomsticks and potions) doesn't exist. Just what are the "facts" behind magic that the young people are failing to get? That's just lunacy.

Oh, and I think you mean "per se" and not "per- say," which doesn't mean anything.

i agree with princess on the harry potter thing, someting such as a simple book is being targeted by certain religions as an inspiration for devil worshipping for little kids. i think this is pathetic specially since a movie like lion king and the fox and the hound have way more violence than this.

Dude...Harry Potter is a BOOK. Fictional. Nothing more, nothing less. Oh...yeah...Avenger, don't have that "I know I'm right and you know you're wrong so don't try to say otherwise" mentality. It's really childish and idiotic.

~Solemni

Thank You Avenger for the common sense that you help permiate on these boards. While I sometimes disagree with the premises of your argument I respect you for your veiws. Thanks again.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Thank you bushsupporter

Bushsupporter:

I do agree with you in the matter of freedom of thought. So, if you believe Wicca is evil, go ahead, but then I can also believe that you are completely wrong (which I do by the way).

So I suppose we must agree to disagree, as I cannot tell you what your religion believes, and you cannot tell me what mine believes either.

~Becca

I have read the posts here and have found yet another example of how people constantly put words in other's mouths. Avenger never said Harry Potter should be banned. I believe that Avenger stands up for the freedom that we have in this country. This also includes freedom of thought (ALL THOUGHT) and religion. If someone belives that blacks are inferior to whites, they can: Freedom of Thought. If they feel that Harry Poter is evil, they can: Freedom of Thought. I think that while Harry Potter is not inherently evil, according to my religion (and most of America's), witch craft is evil, witches are evil, spells are evil. The concepts encouraged in Harry Potter are evil according to my religion. This is the Christian religion by the way. While wiccans may not aknowledge the being who is named Satan, the Bible says that it is Satan who gives the power to these people who claim magical powers. I may feel that wiccans are evil and they practice evil powers sanctioned by Satan himself, they have a right to do it. This is a right. You people seem to feel that you should be able to do what you want but I shouldnt be able to feel what I feel. This, my friends, is wrong.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

AvengerofGod:

You are very ignorant when it comes to Wicca.

SATAN IS NOT INVOLVED IN WICCA! Good goddess! Wiccans DON'T BELIEVE IN SATAN!!!!! They don't believe in HELL! I believe you are thinking of 'Satanists' of which there are few whom actually praise 'Satan'. Please do some research!

I am Wiccan and I do not believe this 'Satan' exists, so how can it be that the basis for my belief is around Satan?!?!?!


Please go here and get informed!

Wicca


~Becca

Sorry if i pissed you off jade, but wicca is an Evil religion. Not evil as in bad, But evil as in the basics of the religion are centered around satan.

by the way, if u ppl want to ban harry potter...then u should also ban...lets see...the wizard of oz, snow white, beauty and the beast, sleeping beauty, scooby doo, the sword in the stone, emporers new groove, lord of the rings, willow, the last unicorn, xena, hercules, tuns of video games, and about a million other things

princess, i agree with u totally!! stupid ppl just like to come up with stupid excuses...I love harry potter...AND i am studying paganism...yes, in high schools people say they are wiccan or pagan and they have NO CLUE what that is...however, i on the other hand, have someone very experienced in paganism helping in understanding it...harry potter is not evil, people are

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Not only that, harry potter is evil. Being a witch is evil. dont tell me it isnt. and if you are trying to tell me it isnt, maybe you should be reconsidering who the real idiot is here.

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That statement really pisses me off!!

Do you even know the first thing about wiccan's? Probably not!
I do magick that is GOOD! Like saying a spell for a sick friend or helping a loved one! Now how is that bad?? Please tell me because i am dying to know!
If you were offended by what monica said then you yourself should be careful what you say because you greatly offended me!!
Please in the future get your facts straight before you speak and try not to offend anyone!!!


~Jade

The idea that Harry Potter promotes evil is just laughable. It's completely concerned with the battle of good AGAINST evil, as anyone who's actually read the books should be able to see. It's also, as has been pointed out already, completely fictional.

Bex

I'm wiccan and I love the Harry Potter Series. No, the series obviously does not promote what Wicca is actually all about, BUT it is just a great series! What kids don't like Fairy Tales or Magic? Well, that's what Harry Potter is!- A really cool fairy tale!

About Real life Witches/Wiccans being offended... I wouldn't know. I'm sure it's possible, but I myself don't compare myself to the Witches in the Books as the two are completely different, short of names.

~Becca

Ok, I'm not entirely sure exactly what either of you trying to say but I'm just going to comment on Harry Potter. Those books are a product of a woman's imagination, the author wasn't trying to promote or out down any religion. They are popular because the stories are clever, descriptive and just overall very entertaining. There are also significant themes being presented like choosing between what if right and what is easy. I'll admit I would like to be a witch in Harry Potter's world just because I find it fascinating and extraordinary. But I can separate fact from fiction. There are infintite threads of "magic" so the magic presented in the Harry Potter books is bound to offend or defy someone. I'm not Wiccan or anything along those lines so I'm unaware of how Harry Potter offends or defends Wiccans. I am aware though that the books breaks the evil only stereotype of witches and wizards. The motive behind the Harry Potter books wasn't to corrupt or offend anyone, so I think all the people claiming that the books are "evil" are just making a mountain out of a molehill.

You just called me an idiot, And stated that i shouldnt be able to Live my life in school. all in one pqaragraph. way to go, you just made a complete jerk out of yourself.

Snow White the with was the Bad Guy

Harry potter the Witch is the Good Guy

The part i dont like about harry potter is that it does not teach what magic is all about, ask any wiccan this and they will agree with me. Young people are starting to want to be witches (not saying that that is wrong) without getting all the facts behind it.

If you want to be a witch, i think no less of you. but if you want to become a witch because of some fabricated Image on the telivision it is wrong.

Not only that, harry potter is evil. Being a witch is evil. dont tell me it isnt. and if you are trying to tell me it isnt, maybe you should be reconsidering who the real idiot is here.

Take religion out of school? tell me were you find religion in schools. there are religious people in schools but no religion per-say. Athiest have already accomplished that one. get the facts and then post a poll. not before...

~shawn