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Registered: July 09, 2002
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Registered: April 03, 2002
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So much for personal accountability 
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Registered: March 07, 2003
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I know It's been a while since the whole Columbine thing but I just discovered this discussion so I'm going to reply for the heck of it. The only people to blame for the actions of the shooters are the people that bullied them. Do you know what it's like to live every day of your life in fear that you're going to get killed. This kid was probably told that he was gonna die every single day. What difference would it make to him if he killed them. The "bullies" know that they are the reason this entire thing happened, so what do they do? They blame the kid they pushed off the edge! They blame us goths, they blame Manson for the sake of who/whatever you worship. Let's just try to make sure this thing doesn't happen again. What's past is past.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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First off, I am offended by the psychopath thing. A psychopath is a person who is mentally ill or unstable (Merriam Webster definition). By this definition, I am a psychopath, and so are a lot of my friends. Would I ever shoot up a school? No. Would my friends? No. Sometimes the sanest person you know is the most psychpathic. And you don't have to be insane, or psychopathic or psychotic to shoot up a school. Extremely pist off is all it takes. And who's to say the teacher, with a gun, doesn't decide to shoot up the school. I, too, have shot a gun. I was in 6th grade. And I seem to be a rather peaceful person. I too, have yet to go on a rampage and kill people because I'm angry at them. (I much prefer yelling, I love to be loud!) Hell, I've shot off the ****** of a GI Joe, but I didn't kill anyone. (Just shows I have awesome aim  ) As for Israel, wonderful for them, less school shootings, however, they seem to be having bigger problems.
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Registered: July 09, 2002
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Israel used to have school shootings, then teachers were armed. There has since been a severe reduction in school violence.
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Registered: June 25, 2002
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I think the problem of shooting in schools goes way beyond just school. A lot of it has to do w/ the students social and family life. Teachers, principals and other staff members cannot and should not be made to control everything that each student in their school is doing. They cannot possibly know if a student has a gun, or if a student has some major problems that will cause them to do a shooting. The students parents are the people who should be watching out after their child. If parents are not involved in their child's life, that is where problems begin to start. Also, like in the Columbine shooting, maybe we as their peers can help do something to stop people who could be on the edge of doing something dangerous like this. There are so many "cliques" and groups at school it's hard at times to feel like u fit in to one particular group, or any. We as students can try and make the outsiders feel more welcome and more secure at school. Then maybe so much hatred in schools wouldn't be causing incidents such as shootings.
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Registered: March 20, 2002
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I really dont think that is the best answer, teachers are not super heroes you should train them mentally and fisically to have guns and be prepared to use them if some kid wants to shoot the school. Teachers also get mad and insane. If theres a shooting and teachers would have guns then it would be more blood spilling, Plus, do you guys think that your parents would approve your teachers having guns in the classroom? i dontthink so, and i cant imagine my 60 year old history teacher with a gun. I think the answer is to have metal detectors in the school doors, or something, but the real key is teaching kids about tolerance, about how to deal with problems, about how to treat other people, about how they shouldnt get influenced by stuff on tv, and of course you should teach teachers how to deal with problems and how to treat their own students.
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Registered: April 03, 2002
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I've fired 1911s, and I'm fairly sure they dont have seven safeties. Theres the slide safety and one some the beaver tail, but thats it.
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Registered: July 15, 2002
Posts: 27
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Bush, I believe you are wrong. I first fired a Colt 1911 and Glock 18 when I was in 7th grade. At the end of 8th I fired an XM177E3 (a civilian version of the Colt AR series, most the M16, M4, etc) and I have yet too shoot up Ms. Henry's 5th grade Bible class.
I believe I am mature enough to carry one. I know how to operate and handle one. Hell, the 1911 has 7 safetys on it. It's pretty hard too shoot it off when 7 of them are on.
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Registered: July 09, 2002
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Bush-I never said that I thought that 7th graders packing pistols in schools would be useful. I said that armed and trained TEACHERS are the best deterrent.
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Registered: July 07, 2002
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I'm for the artillery. Should a psychopath enter the building just shell the school at first, then if the gun-wielding psychopath doesn't leave the building have some F-18s go in for strafing runs, then if all else fails drop a low-yield nuclear device on the building. Sure, there would be just a little collateral damage, but hey, tragedy was averted, there was no school shooting! HOORAY FOR THE MILITARY! or something... But in all honesty, I don't think you can prevent school shootings from happening. Insanity happens. Now, if there was a department of precrime on the otherhand...
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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You feel that school children should be allowed to carry guns. Am I right? I hardly think that 7th graders are mature enough to carry guns. I don't even think that sophomores are mature enough. And I am not quite sure how it works where you live, but in my state, you can carry a gun without a ermit if you are 18 or over. So half of the seniors would be eligible to carry guns. What if one of those seniors is a crazy person? I think that the school shootings are part of a free society. We live in freedom and are not searched before school so sometmes things are going to happen. Given guns to teachers might be a possible solution to the problem though. I feel that teachers and administrators should be able to carry guns though just as pilots should.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: July 09, 2002
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Locutus-my point exactly.
outspokenme:There is "the other side" here-it's the first post, which is exactly what is being done in schools across NA.
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Registered: April 03, 2002
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Remove the gun-free zone designation of school and allow adults who have ccw or open carry permits to carry.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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None of the above. All are an extreme waste of money (and intelligence) Try teaching kids tolerance.
And why is there no "other" selection on your poll? Hardly seems fair.
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