I must say that I am so SICK AND TIRED of sexist boys dominating class discussions with crap like, "Women should stay in the kitchen where they belong," and "All feminists are lesbians." Have you had this happen? I've had discussions like this so many times before that I can't count them all on one hand! And sometimes the teacher EGGS THEM ON!!

I've had that happen at least three times before. But the worst part is that none of the girls ever speak up... they just sit there and look uncomfortable while the boys bash women. I admit that in the past I've said nothing, but I stopped doing that, and I always end up fighting these losers by myself. Aren't girls just proving these little boys right by not speaking up?! C'mon, girls... if you're afraid that the guys won't like you, you shouldn't worry, because what kind of woman wants a "man" that can't respect you??!!

Jill

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Originally posted by SilverWerewolf:
What about the pro-choice movement? That is run by mostly by women.

Actually, the most pro-choice demographic in America is single men. I just felt like being nit-picky.

On the issue of feminism, this is all I'll say:

Fighting for a woman's right to live as she wishes: Good.
Telling a woman how to live her life in the name of "feminism": Bad.

I agree with you fully Earth! You said every point I would have wanted to say. Nice

As a female, I agree with you, Silver.

Although, my biggest issue is how these "feminists" perpetuate sexism with their own actions, yet they're completely oblivious to the damage they're really causing because they only care about themselves.

Dressing like a whore or sleeping with as many men as possible, is not going to make the general public see you as an "empowered" woman. That'll do nothing but reinforce stereotypes and turn us into sex objects (Christina Aguilera being a great example of this). And reinforcing stereotypes is all they seem to have accomplished in the past decade.

Seriously, feminism needs to die. It's bad sauce.

Y'all will hate me for this.

Unlike thirty years ago, women have more rights and get more attention than men. Don't believe me?

What about the pro-choice movement? That is run by mostly by women.
What about the Vagina Monologues that is acted out in many colleges, and written by Eve Ensler, a woman? In this “play”, there is a rape scene, lesbian in nature, where the thirteen-year-old girl says it's better than rape by men.
What about Katha Pollitt, who said that the American flag stands for “jingoism, vengeance, and war”, right after the Twin Towers came darn close to crushing the very high school her daughter attends?
What about all the feminists out there who, up until three months ago, were silent about being called sexist names in gangster rap?

The list goes on, and on. I will say this though. That kind of speech against women doesn’t belong anywhere. However, feminists overuse the term “sexism” when describing the areas where they can’t reach the same status as men. Women have more rights now than ever before and yet some still want to portray women as victims. I guess that makes me an ass, as freelovealways would put it. C’mon, enough is enough. Stop the gender wars.

On a last note, my female role model happens to be Ann Coulter. I’ve read two of her books and loved every one of them.

Today in American Issues we were talking about feminism and a guy in class goes, "Women shouldn't have the same rights as men."

My teacher is a female so she of course said, "Elaborate."

I, along with all the other girls in my class, was completely pissed.

He said that girls shouldn't get the same pay that guys do because they can't do what guys do.

Then I said, "Name something a woman can't do that guy can?"

And of course the sexist pig heads go, "I can name a few."

So then when I said office they were completely stumped and had nothing to say. One person said that guys can't become strippers and I was like what the *&%^ of curse they can, it's just that most choose not to.

I was so angry the rest of the day, I hate people like that. And I thought I knew those people.

I think it's safe to say that I can stand up for myself and no one will be able to disprespect me. Well they will but they won't if they know what's good for them.

In school there were two types of guys...

The ones who "grew up right" and the ones who didnt.

The ones who didnt smacked girls in the butt and called them a whore and made rude comments. in highschool i dated those guys.

though i had a mouth on me and would stand up for myself in the classroom and in the hallways its not like anything happened to make the situation better.

when i graduated i found a guy who "grew up right" and didnt make me feel like i was an object. from then on i didnt deal with the idiots who though women were something to have sex with and treat like second class citizens...

now i live with my boyfriend; another guy that treats me like im a queen and not a whore and our roommates. one of the roommates told me the other day that its a mans world and b***hs just clean it. well my boyfriend and my other roommates got in his face and all that...

I dont deal with the idiots anymore... i have a voice... i can use it... and when you disrespect a woman, you are an ass.... leave it at that.

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I don't like that. That's not what feminism and equality is all about. I hate when women take advantage of calling things "sexist" or use the power of sex to advance in the world. Half the time, I don't think those women really know what true sexism is. Everything should be sex-blind, race-blind, etc, based on ability and merit alone.

On a side note: I don't think I'd like your job. I feel I'd be too afraid that the bombs would go off accidentally as I was loading them, even if it's next-to-impossible for that to happen

i couldnt agree with you more. the only problem is that A: the military is ran by men. and B: women know what to do to get what they want. its a vicious cycle that will probably never end but oh well. you dont think you would like my job? oh its great. the Aviation Ordnance community is the tightest and closest community in the military. and im not just saying this because i am one. heres some examples. we are the only rate (job) that celebrates its own birthday, we are the only ones that have our own yearly convention and we are the only ones that have our own association. next to impossible. it is impossible. but oh well its one of those "once in a life time" experiences that you cant explain. it really is fun though. its kind of a rush when you just get done loading 8 500lb Mk 82's on an F-18.

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they can get away with a hell of a lot more too because god forbid someone actually says something, they are labled as a sexist. you just had a child, you get 3 months off. men you get 1 week (granted i know they did give birth and all but still). oh you have to take your child to daycare? come in 2 hours late and leave 2 hours early. men? you better find someone to watch your kid and be here at 530. no exceptions.

I don't like that. That's not what feminism and equality is all about. I hate when women take advantage of calling things "sexist" or use the power of sex to advance in the world. Half the time, I don't think those women really know what true sexism is. Everything should be sex-blind, race-blind, etc, based on ability and merit alone.

On a side note: I don't think I'd like your job. I feel I'd be too afraid that the bombs would go off accidentally as I was loading them, even if it's next-to-impossible for that to happen

This may sound like me beating a dead horse but if you actually want to see a work place where women are treated better than men, join the military. now im not woman bashing here, i love women (and not in that slutty i sleep with everyone i meet way). hell ive been married for 5 years now. but more often than not, women in the military recieve favoritism far greater than men. they can get away with a hell of a lot more too because god forbid someone actually says something, they are labled as a sexist. you just had a child, you get 3 months off. men you get 1 week (granted i know they did give birth and all but still). oh you have to take your child to daycare? come in 2 hours late and leave 2 hours early. men? you better find someone to watch your kid and be here at 530. no exceptions. and its not like men get paid more either. if your an E-4 and hes an E-4 guess what! same pay.

now my one BIG complaint with women and the military (and ill prepare my hiding spot to duck the rocks) is that women shouldnt be aloud into any job they please. well i know women cant be on submarines. that eliminates like 5 jobs in the entire military, but take my job for example. i lift bombs on planes, simple right? we load 500lb and 1000lb bombs on planes.....by hand. not so simple. i have yet to meet 4 ordie chicks that can lift a single 500lb bomb by themselves without collapsing. but no you get die hard, go woman people like ol' veggie here who can tackle the world. i admire your enthusiasm, but dear you wouldnt last a day where i work. my life depends on the people infront and inback of me. if one ordie slips, people die. now thats my work force rant

sex. yes sex is great. favorite pastime of america. problem is over the years sex has lost its meaning, it used to be something special between 2 people after you got married. now its about how many girls you can bang in one night or how many dicks you can suck. its ok if a woman likes sex, its not ok if she advertises that she likes sex and will sleep with anyone. that just means she has no morals and no self respect (basically a slut, whore, prostitute pick a name). yes in todays society its kind of a double standard. a girl who sleeps around is a slut but a guy who sleeps around is a stud. wrong. your both sluts.

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But it is also normal for men to be sexist.

you couldnt be more right. its just the way we were evovled to think. 9 of out 10 times in any past civilization men were the work horses, they brought the money, they killed the food they did the manual labor. woman kept the house, took care of the kids etc. you cant fault our current state of mind for what has been taking place for centuries. i honestly believe we are raising a generation of pussies (excuse my word but its the best one i can come up with at the time). no offense women but you feel the need to take over everything a man had that seperated us from them. guys night out. not anymore because joe here brought his girlfriend. sunday golf with the guys. nope cause timmy here thought his wife would like to play. women need to find their own way of doing the same things we do, not just weasle their way into our lifestyles and ruin things for men out there. now i will be called a sexist im sure (ive been called worse by lesser people) and thats fine. your opinions of me dont write my evals or affect my pay in any way, shape or form so like the great dane cook said "Bring on the piss!"

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It is normal for people to enjoy sex.

Ew. But it is also normal for men to be sexist.

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I can differentiate between sex-crazed little boys and men who are capable of respecting women for who they are.

Those men are rare. The majority of the male population is sexist due to how we are portrayed by the media, in some form or another. Their expectations of us have been altered and lowered, because of all the oversexualization we have done to ourselves. This could be why rape and domestic violence is such a huge problem in America now.

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On that line of thought, shouldn't promiscouos guys be called sluts?

Anyone who is promiscuous is a slut. Male or female.

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I'm okay with the whole girl-slut thing, it helps perserve society.

On that line of thought, shouldn't promiscouos guys be called sluts?

I wasn't saying we should accept them, what I Was saying is that there are practicle reasons for them being in place. If we can replace it with something else that might encourage the same effect I say go for it, but since I can't see that happening, I'm okay with the whole girl-slut thing, it helps perserve society.

Now, if men got in as much trouble for sleeping around, would you be complaining?

Tonic: You don't have to accept society's flaws, yes there are things that are hard to change, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I don't advocate sleeping everybody, but sleeping with a few guys you really care about is completly different. You're right in that it isn't fair for women to get the blame, but by justifying and accepting the stigma you are only perpetuating it.
EarthGoddess: It is normal for people to enjoy sex. Clearly you have a very low oppinion of men, and you obviously have a very low opinion of me. I can differentiate between sex-crazed little boys and men who are capable of respecting women for who they are. I would really appreciate if you would keep your insult and bad attitude out of your comments.

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A woman who enjoys having sex is not objectifying herself, she is not a slut. It is women, misled women, who steryotype her as such. We need to start a dialogue, to educate other women. And a dialogue is hardly complaining.

You didn't come here to have a dialogue. You came here and got offended and started throwing around insults. I insulted you too, but I don't hold myself to such high standards.

Seriously though, I think it is sad that you think "enjoying sex" does not lead to objectification. The only misled female here, is you. If I met a guy, and told him I "enjoyed sex", his interest in my personality would wane. That's just how men are. That is nature. You give a testoterone-addled brain an opportunity to see you as a sex object, he'll take it. When you advertise yourself as a semen disposal center, don't cry sexism when men treat you as one.

Most feminists agree with me. This is why they don't support pornography, half-naked models on magazine covers and advertisements, stripping, etc. I don't neccesarily care, but I do not appreciate it when wannabe feminists such as yourself, contradict your so-called "Pro-woman" beliefs. If you like sex, good for you (ew, Not really). But keep in mind that millions of men will take that the wrong way.

okay sorry about that.

Alright another thing, the truth is you have to accept certain things about our society. The truth is, being permiscuis(sp) is bad, and it is for a good reason. People who go around sleeping with everybody are at a higher risk for STD's un planned pregnacies ect., and that is why society puts such a stigma on women, why women? Because women can get pregnate, technically a man doesn't. Is it right to put the blame on the woman, well no. However, it doesn't change the fact that the stigma of being a "slut" isn't there for a reason.

Hey Tonic, I don't know where you got me wrong, but it sounds like we're on the same page. I agree with everything you just said, except for the whole me being sexist part. I wasn't saying society treats men and women equally, I was saying we are in reality. And I never said anything about child-rearing not being an important contribution, I agree that it is.

And I resonded before I got your comment, sorry.

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That's why I said "for the most part."

You responded before I caught my mistake.

But it's not even for the most part. It's always the same. Women don't earn what men do on average. Forget it if you're a minority woman. You can be Black and Hispanic and go to College, and earn about the same or even less than a White man with only a high school degree.

you ignored my comment

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equal pay (for the most part)



You can be a woman with a master's degree and earn less than a man with a masters degree.

That's why I said "for the most part."