Probably the most controversial Rock Star is Marilyn Manson. A leader for the Anarchs and the ultimate rebellion against god and holy. Why do I say so? Marilyn Manson happens to be also the first man to build a satanic church. (Well one of them). It was assumed he was Atheist for many years, until the stories about a animal sacrifice made by him. Turned up they were true. (Kernal sanders must be sad then). Anyway, most of Marilyn's shows were cancelled including: Antichrist Superstar, and "The Dope show". They were cancelled mostly because of the religious controversy. Despite Marilyns beliefs he is still a extremely popular star amongst the metal bands. Tell me what you think about Marilyn.

Oh and the reason why I say Kernal Sanders must had been sad was because the sacrifice happend to be a chicken.

Closed due to thread being off topic.

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Uh bitch what the fuck did EG just do right now. Quote one quote them all kay? (sorry, bitch is just a verbal filler don't take it literally) Anyways where is a person supposed to continue an argument like this. If you supposed to have a voice around here you guys are certainly shoving socks down our throats to keep us from doing so.

1. I'm pretty sure she was talking to both of you.
2. Get a better filler, i.e. one that doesn't insult people
3. You have a voice. You just need to be respectful and non-insultive.

EG. I'm not a mod, but please remember to try to be a little nicer to people who aren't quite used to you.

P.S. to Vegetarian: EG has actually answered the question on the boards before. Look in Spirituality.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:

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Originally posted by VegetarianWithACause:
Why?

Because you're a retard. That's why.

Okay run away from it all. Do it I don't care. But one of these days someone will come after you with questions ones you cannot answer. Oh I am a retard. Why are you avoiding it? I am guesing the "great Earth Goddess" has nothing better do than attack and make fun of thirteen year olds online? She can't answer questions that that she doesen't have the answer to. You have shit to talk but now it seems it's all the talk is gone. So you know what who's doing the talking now? Because I know it's sure not you. All your doing is an avoiding technic (ask me if I care about spelling right now) Simply trying to humiliate me. But the truth is your running from it, and using meaningless ways to do so.

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Also, please, no insulting others on the boards.

Uh bitch what the fuck did EG just do right now. Quote one quote them all kay? (sorry, bitch is just a verbal filler don't take it literally) Anyways where is a person supposed to continue an argument like this. If you supposed to have a voice around here you guys are certainly shoving socks down our throats to keep us from doing so.

VegetarianWithACause, I had previously asked to stay on topic. Please, no further discussion about asking EG the same question. She does not wish to answer. Stay on topic or your post will be deleted. Thank you.

Also, please, no insulting others on the boards.

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Originally posted by VegetarianWithACause:
Why?

Because you're a retard. That's why.

Then end it all. End it all right here right now. Put it out of it's misery. Answer those two questions, and I will stop. Others might drown it on and on but I won't. And why didn't you answer those two questions in the begining? That's all I wanted to know. I'm not here to prove that I am smart. I don't find it as an ego boost. Honestly I could care less what others think of me. Why is it that you shove facts and your own opinions down others throats causing them to choke, but when someone comes at you with questions you run away from it all. That's what it certainly seemed like to me. If not then what is it. Why won't you answer those questions. Don't give me that it's off subject crap. Nothing is ever perfect. Nothing is ever on a nice smooth freshly paved road. And when it is it can't be reality. But anyways could it possibly be that you infact do believe in the wiccan religion and you don't want others to know. Rejection probably? Or is it that you liked the way the name sounds that you didn't think of what (or take the time to look) it stands for. Why? Why won't you answer those questions? Why does it seem like you run from it? Why didn't you answer me in the first place? Why?

Oh for the love of Hell...

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Rock N'Folk: Now that Anton La Vey, the master of Satan's Church is dead, you are the last great Satanist alive. Could you briefly explain what summarizes your religion?

Marilyn Manson: I only believe in myself. God, the Devil, Right wing/ Left wing, the Good/the Bad are antinomies located in everyone of us. Why should we choose one or the other? Catholicism makes people feel guilty concerning some aspects of everyone's personality and Satanism enables people to express the natural desires of everybody without any consequence. I incarnate the contradictions of any human being.

http://www.manson-world.net/us/philosophie.php

There. Manson's own words. Not Wiccan. Wicca is completely unrelated to Satanism.

Wiccans: They believe in the God and the Goddess. That God and Goddess can be Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, Native American, Greek, or whatever. They sometimes practice witchcraft. They deal with runes, "magick" amulets and talismans, and they celebrate Pagan holidays.

Satanists: They believe that they are Gods and worship themslves. They don't practice witchcraft. They don't celebrate holidays (Except Halloween and birthdays). If you said Satanism was similar to Wicca to their faces, they'd laugh heartily and kick your ass.

So anyway, quit trying to act smart, since you're failing misrably and it's getting sad. Someone should close this travesty of a thread...

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:

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But Facts Back it up Bitch

Thank you for backing up my point. Please read the part about Wicca versus Satanism.


I really don't care about what Marilyn Manson does. I just don't like people debating while appearing uneducated.

I have know idea what you are trying to say in this post. I mean could you specify it further because it does not make any sence to me. The religion does have some similarities in satanism.

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And that's why there was debate. About whether or not there was a link (I do not believe there is one) and whether or not Manson was related to Wicca.

By the way, his video's on his site. It's kind of boring (watching it without sound. I don't really care for his music, I just had heard about the controversy and was curious), but don't watch it if you live with your parents and are under the age of 18. It could be bad if they walked in on you watching it.

I tattaly agree and disagree with this message. I mean you don't know for sure if he believes in it or not. Who are you to speak for someone else? But then again you stating your opinion and I respect that...

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I really don't want to debate here (I have a normal account for that), but Satanism has little to nothing to do with Wicca. On a personal note, I know a family of very educated wiccans, and their faith has nothing to do with Satanism. Researched, and read about it, as well as experienced it. They are almost as opposite as Satanism and Christianity seem to be.

And that's why there was debate. About whether or not there was a link (I do not believe there is one) and whether or not Manson was related to Wicca.

By the way, his video's on his site. It's kind of boring (watching it without sound. I don't really care for his music, I just had heard about the controversy and was curious), but don't watch it if you live with your parents and are under the age of 18. It could be bad if they walked in on you watching it.

I really don't want to debate here (I have a normal account for that), but Satanism has little to nothing to do with Wicca. On a personal note, I know a family of very educated wiccans, and their faith has nothing to do with Satanism. Researched, and read about it, as well as experienced it. They are almost as opposite as Satanism and Christianity seem to be.

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Originally posted by Allah:
GreenMod, I do not mean to disagree, but the discussion of Wicca IS relevant to Manson because they are discussing whether or not he is associated to Wicca through Satanism. It has validity.

That being said, has anyone seen Manson's new music video?

Article on the video and some of the controversy: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dotmusic/20070516/ten-manson-i...roversy-31c8aba.html

Thank you. Finally somone who has knowlege posts in this subject. THANK YOU!!

GreenMod, I do not mean to disagree, but the discussion of Wicca IS relevant to Manson because they are discussing whether or not he is associated to Wicca through Satanism. It has validity.

That being said, has anyone seen Manson's new music video?

Article on the video and some of the controversy: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dotmusic/20070516/ten-manson-i...roversy-31c8aba.html

Okay. You've already been told, guys. Let's keep this conversation on topic. I hear nothing in here about Manson, which is allegedly, what this whole thread is about. To reiterate, Wiccans are not and never have been "devil" worshipers. Please, stop talking about it. Questions like this should be used in noisemail.

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But Facts Back it up Bitch

Thank you for backing up my point. Please read the part about Wicca versus Satanism.


I really don't care about what Marilyn Manson does. I just don't like people debating while appearing uneducated.

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:
Education is key.

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She said to get back on subject. Nowhere did I hear her say I'm not going to answer that question.

To her, that's tantamount to "I'm not going to answer the question because I do not believe it is on topic."

But Facts Back it up Bitch

Well if she wants to state that, then she should just come out and say it. Why send mixed up messages then just come out and saying it. It confuses people. And i have argued with her so many times it seems like she is a person that would just come out and say it. Like I said it SEEMS that way, unlike you and speaking for others. If she was sending a message then SHE needs to come out and say it not you. And with her the saying "Silence is golden" tottally applies. Anyways, anyone here actaully care about warner cause was that not subject???

Education is key.

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She said to get back on subject. Nowhere did I hear her say I'm not going to answer that question.

To her, that's tantamount to "I'm not going to answer the question because I do not believe it is on topic."

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Originally posted by ampmaster:

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Wow you sure do know a lot about the uh wiccan religion don't you?

She does, more than you apparently do.

Also manson/warner is a satanist so any further discussion of Wicca on this thread is ruled off topic

Two things. I don't know anything because I don't believe in it. And some have said that people who believe in the wiccan religion are also satanists. So if he is a warner is indeed a satanist then is it not possible he could believe in or might even be appart of the wiccam religion. I'm not going off topic, I am still talking about warner.

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VegetarianWithACause, she already said she wont answer the question. Leave her alone and let it be.

She said to get back on subject. Nowhere did I hear her say I'm not going to answer that question.

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Wow you sure do know a lot about the uh wiccan religion don't you?

She does, more than you apparently do. Wicca is a turd fart religion that is an attempt to mirror faiths like Druidism, and the old Gods of the Norse, Greek and Egyptian pantheons (I know practioners of all faiths wicca imitates and wiccans just piss them off)

Also manson/warner is a satanist so any further discussion of Wicca on this thread is ruled off topic

VegetarianWithACause, she already said she wont answer the question. Leave her alone and let it be.