Try Aaron Copland or Samual Barber. Have a touch of class; if only for the running time of Apalachian spring.
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I agree with haitian on everything except the Eminem part :-\ Tupac is easily my favorite rapper ever, and I beelive that alot of his songs had alot to do with how he lived. If you ever get a chance, listen to "Keep ya Head Up" or "Brenda's Gotta Baby". The songs talk about how people always need to keep their heads up in situations that seem hopeless, and things will get brighter. Brendas gotta baby is about a real womans life starting from when she 12 and pregnant. Check them out.
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i agree that the fact that some rappers are clearly hurting the whole idea that music is healing and good for the heart etc. but all rap music isnt horrible..i just wanted to point out...some people like Tupac and Eminem really try to show the world the truth through their lyrics..they show the world that their is bad in the world and that they have been to hell and back...i agree with you when yoy say rap is getting out of hand...probably 3 out of 4 rap songs imply meaningless sex in it..but there is still hope for it
I believe that saying that all rap is bad is like saying that everyone on-line is weird, or that all blacks are made. You cannot base assumptions on a group of things just because one thing from that group is bad. In that case then country is depressing. It can make kids want to kill themselfs.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
well its art and a form of art so really its okay what people really needed to do is censor what their kids here
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Brati: We are not talking about the songs with a positive lilt to them, like keep your head up, which rarely receives air time. Come to think of it, the most positive rap song I've heard lately has been Kanye West's Jesus song, which is pretty nice. But I digress. The songs I am talking about are the booty shaking, gangsta rappin, I'll kill you, take your loot, use it to buy drugs that I will then resell, after I do your b#&^%@ doggy style, cuz that's how it is in da hood. These songs have NO redeeming social value whatsoever and in fact encourage kids that are impressionable to imitate the lyrics that they here in the song and repeat to themselves. Kids that are ********ers definitely use this music to facilitate their criminal activities, I don't think I've ever seen ********ers rolling down the street pumping 12' woofers and 20' rims playing "keep your head up". More than likely they will be playing some of tupac's other selections, the ones where he talks about killing and fighting and stealing.
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While i can see the point you are trying to make about current culture and how it affects our generation, rap music is repetetive and boring. All it is is a mad persaon beating a drum machine to death, with some random bloke who can make two lines rhyme chattering as fast as he can down a microphone, with some cheap eletric effects thrown in.
Stop listening to noise, and start hearing real music!
Only simple and quiet words will ripen of themselves. For a whirlwind does not last a whole morning, nor does a sudden shower last the entire day.
Rap music to me is not offensive. If they are not talking to you directly, you shouldn't be offended anyway. Yes I'm black and I know that there is gonna be one ignorant person in here that's gonna say that that justifies my opinion, but it doesn't. Rap music sometimes tells a story, for example Tupac's "Keep your head up" tells young black women to don't worry about disrespective males and to be positive. So no, it does not influence me because I have my own mind and make decisions for myself. The media is not my mind and does not make my mind up for me, especially music of any kind.
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frostedbutterflies, Sadly, not all of us can attend grammar school to your extent. To be honest, i dont care if you poke your eye out. Your condescending tone is not needed and it does not help anyone quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it is a form of expressionism --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Expressionism"? *gets extremely close to poking own eyeball out* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That does not address her point, what is the point of these meaningless semantics? This is afterall, a youth forum and as long as you get the point... I for one would like to know your point. Maybe I am just one of those simple minded grammarless people who dont understand great intelectuals like you. What is your point? If you would be so kind as to reaffirm it i would be greatful
quote:*Stares blankly* Yes. I agree. I was simply making a statement about what I believe to be the sustenance of character within groups of hip hop artists. What the heck are you referring to?
"In my opinion, a couple mill and countless women willing to throw themselves at the feet of the person who raps about violence against them seems to be enough for most any male to rap himself to oblivon in the hip hop industry. " It seemed to me that you were saying that all the women throw themselfs at men that rap as a lifestyle and that they are not strong or as good as any other women. They are not any less of a women, and its just a rap video, thats not actually how all rappers live. You cannot just assume things about people by a the songs they seem or the roles they play.
quote: Hmmm. Well, allow me to make an example: according to what seems to be your own personal guidelines of cultural judgement, you would feel perfectly fine blasting a song about incest and let's say--child molestation? Because after all--it's JUST words, right? No harm done. Honestly, give me a freaking break. Words mean so much more than simply syllables pronounced from one's vocal chords; they hold much meaning, no matter if they "effect you" (*cough* Grammer! *cough*) or not. To say otherwise reduces you and the rest of the human population to a mass of fend-for-yourself animals without mercy or kindness to those who need it most. Thanks for being such an example to future generations with your superb mentality. *salutes*
These songs aren't about anyone inpaticular and are not offensive. They do not rap about people with mental handicaps or any other disease. They often talk about girls, drugs, and partying. That has nothing to do with you and should not offend you and if it does then you have issues on your own to deal with. And this isn't putting anyone in any sort of danger or in harms way at all. I can understand if it was discriminating or putting someone down based on conditions that they have no control over but they don't.
quote:So, let me get this straight: you honestly, whole-heartedly believe that as long as no one's threating to physically harm me or let's say, my grandma (someone you know) then no worries? Refer to previous comment...again, I commend you on your caring, thoughtful mentality.
I meant that it shouldn't bother you because it has nothing to do with you at all and if they are ( not alot of rap does) threatens someone, you don't know the circumstances or how real it is. They expressing themselfs the same as any other singer or songwriter.
quote:Wow, you learned all those lyrics since your last post? Now I have to commend you on your intelligence and memory skills because I could have sworn I saw you post: "I don't necessarily like the words, which you can barely understand to begin with." Enough said.
Yeah I do know almost all the lyrics to the songs that I like and as to the lyrics, you can not really understand them that well as they are being rapped. And do you know all the lyrics to every rap song that apparently seems to be soo evil to you?
quote:Alright, suggestion number one: please go back to grammer school before I poke my own eye out. Thanks. Secondly, refer back to comment 1--you are just such an altruist, aren't you? Always thinking about the common good...
These songs are about the people in their lifes and the things they do, why should someone be offended by something that does no harm, or even mean anything to them. That is so childish to be offended by words to a song that are really not that offenseive. I will admit that some songs are degrading to a group of people such as religion, or race. I do not agree with all rap just don't see the harm in alot of it.
quote:"Expressionism"? *gets extremely close to poking own eyeball out*
Please save us all the trouble. Expressionism is a form of art that expresses feelings and other such things.
quote:I never said I didn't like rap. And no, I won't accept idiotic males (some of which never finished high school) to lambast my eardrums day in and day out about "smackin' hoes." Be my guest, but I'll refrain from buying crap albums like that and supporting the boneheads who made them. *exhales*
That is your personal choice, do not condemn those that choose to listen to it. It doesn't make them any less human or have less morals.
quote:*Teary-eyed, clapping hands emphatically* Once again, your desire to help others and not simply cover your own butt is simply tremendous! I bow at your generous feet!
Wow, if you were soo smart then maybe you would see my point. Rap does not cause harm anyone and is not intended to. Until it comes out and says your name in full or the name of someone you know and talks about killing them, get over it because it is not threatening anyone and I'm sure the people they are referring to know what they mean are talking about because it is just between them. If they were offended and scared they would speak up and do something about it.
quote:I never said ALL children listen to rap; I said ALL children listen to some popular music due to peer influence. EXCUSE me for excluding the Amish and other strict religous groups from my statement...oops!
In general I feel that most people listen to what sooths them or suits them best. That is not very intellegent to assume that people listen to things to other people because they are not going to do something that they do not agree with or like.
NOTE: My grammar and mistakes in my previous post, were do to the fact that I had just woken up and I apologize for the inconvience but seriously if grammar is important in a debate then you have more issues on your hand then the one that's being debated.
quote: They are just words.
Hmmm. Well, allow me to make an example: according to what seems to be your own personal guidelines of cultural judgement, you would feel perfectly fine blasting a song about incest and let's say--child molestation? Because after all--it's JUST words, right? No harm done. Honestly, give me a freaking break. Words mean so much more than simply syllables pronounced from one's vocal chords; they hold much meaning, no matter if they "effect you" (*cough* Grammer! *cough*) or not. To say otherwise reduces you and the rest of the human population to a mass of fend-for-yourself animals without mercy or kindness to those who need it most. Thanks for being such an example to future generations with your superb mentality. *salutes*
quote: Unless they are threatening to take someones life that effects you then stop worrying about it.
So, let me get this straight: you honestly, whole-heartedly believe that as long as no one's threating to physically harm me or let's say, my grandma (someone you know) then no worries? Refer to previous comment...again, I commend you on your caring, thoughtful mentality.
quote: I do know the lyrics to songs--
Wow, you learned all those lyrics since your last post? Now I have to commend you on your intelligence and memory skills because I could have sworn I saw you post: "I don't necessarily like the words, which you can barely understand to begin with." Enough said.
quote: I am not offended by them because it is just a song that don't even have anything to do with me.
Alright, suggestion number one: please go back to grammer school before I poke my own eye out. Thanks. Secondly, refer back to comment 1--you are just such an altruist, aren't you? Always thinking about the common good...
quote: it is a form of expressionism
"Expressionism"? *gets extremely close to poking own eyeball out*
quote: It's gonna be around for a while so get used to it and accept it.
I never said I didn't like rap. And no, I won't accept idiotic males (some of which never finished high school) to lambast my eardrums day in and day out about "smackin' hoes." Be my guest, but I'll refrain from buying crap albums like that and supporting the boneheads who made them. *exhales*
quote: Until it threatens your life, get over it and just don't listen to it!
*Teary-eyed, clapping hands emphatically* Once again, your desire to help others and not simply cover your own butt is simply tremendous! I bow at your generous feet!
quote: And you shouldn't try to make people feel bad about what they choose to listen to, that does not make them any lesser of a person.
Don't, don't, don't put words in my mouth. We can debate to your little heart's desire, but I draw the line there and expect you to respect that, as I will not do so to those I debate with, including yourself.
quote: You can NOT assume that all children listen to rap!
I never said ALL children listen to rap; I said ALL children listen to some popular music due to peer influence. EXCUSE me for excluding the Amish and other strict religous groups from my statement...oops!
quote: And if there parents were monitoring what they listened to then I bet they wouldn't know what rap is.
Ok, "there" is describing location; "their" is describing something belonging to other people. Anyway. Parents can't control everything a child is influenced by--what a shocker![/QUOTE]
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
Rap is not music. Rap comprises and sustains an assemblage of retards so dense that, at their optimal level of performance, they are only capable of spewing out the same monotonous, insipid, self-promoting lyrics as the rest of the industry.
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
quote:I never said ALL children listen to rap; I said ALL children listen to some popular music due to peer influence. EXCUSE me for excluding the Amish and other strict religous groups from my statement...oops!
That was a very stupid thing to say. I don't own one damn pupular music CD or file in my PC.
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quote: Rap is a choice of music and song it is not a lifestyle! You are not defined by the music that you listen to.
*Stares blankly* Yes. I agree. I was simply making a statement about what I believe to be the sustenance of character within groups of hip hop artists. What the heck are you referring to?
quote: They are just words.
Hmmm. Well, allow me to make an example: according to what seems to be your own personal guidelines of cultural judgement, you would feel perfectly fine blasting a song about incest and let's say--child molestation? Because after all--it's JUST words, right? No harm done. Honestly, give me a freaking break. Words mean so much more than simply syllables pronounced from one's vocal chords; they hold much meaning, no matter if they "effect you" (*cough* Grammer! *cough*) or not. To say otherwise reduces you and the rest of the human population to a mass of fend-for-yourself animals without mercy or kindness to those who need it most. Thanks for being such an example to future generations with your superb mentality. *salutes*
quote: Unless they are threatening to take someones life that effects you then stop worrying about it.
So, let me get this straight: you honestly, whole-heartedly believe that as long as no one's threating to physically harm me or let's say, my grandma (someone you know) then no worries? Refer to previous comment...again, I commend you on your caring, thoughtful mentality.
quote: I do know the lyrics to songs--
Wow, you learned all those lyrics since your last post? Now I have to commend you on your intelligence and memory skills because I could have sworn I saw you post: "I don't necessarily like the words, which you can barely understand to begin with." Enough said.
quote: I am not offended by them because it is just a song that don't even have anything to do with me.
Alright, suggestion number one: please go back to grammer school before I poke my own eye out. Thanks. Secondly, refer back to comment 1--you are just such an altruist, aren't you? Always thinking about the common good...
quote: it is a form of expressionism
"Expressionism"? *gets extremely close to poking own eyeball out*
quote: It's gonna be around for a while so get used to it and accept it.
I never said I didn't like rap. And no, I won't accept idiotic males (some of which never finished high school) to lambast my eardrums day in and day out about "smackin' hoes." Be my guest, but I'll refrain from buying crap albums like that and supporting the boneheads who made them. *exhales*
quote: Until it threatens your life, get over it and just don't listen to it!
*Teary-eyed, clapping hands emphatically* Once again, your desire to help others and not simply cover your own butt is simply tremendous! I bow at your generous feet!
quote: And you shouldn't try to make people feel bad about what they choose to listen to, that does not make them any lesser of a person.
Don't, don't, don't put words in my mouth. We can debate to your little heart's desire, but I draw the line there and expect you to respect that, as I will not do so to those I debate with, including yourself.
quote: You can NOT assume that all children listen to rap!
I never said ALL children listen to rap; I said ALL children listen to some popular music due to peer influence. EXCUSE me for excluding the Amish and other strict religous groups from my statement...oops!
quote: And if there parents were monitoring what they listened to then I bet they wouldn't know what rap is.
Ok, "there" is describing location; "their" is describing something belonging to other people. Anyway. Parents can't control everything a child is influenced by--what a shocker!
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quote:In my opinion, a couple mill and countless women willing to throw themselves at the feet of the person who raps about violence against them seems to be enough for most any male to rap himself to oblivon in the hip hop industry. With a couple computer manipulations and plenty of pounding bass, BAM: you have yourself a hit. Not that I don't like any rap--just pretty much all of it.
Rap is a choice of music and song it is not a lifestyle! You are not defined by the music that you listen to.
quote:You're willing to make your life anthem (so to speak, since that's your music preference) out of words you can't understand? Not too wise--read the lyrics of Snoop Dogg's new album and perhaps you'll see my point. E.G. "You gotta put a bi*** in her place-- Even if it means slapping her in her face." Good choice.
They are just words. Unless they are threatening to take someones life that effects you then stop worrying about it. I do like rap ( it's not the only type that I like) and I do know the lyrics to songs, I am not offended by them because it is just a song that don't even have anything to do with me. It is music, it is an art, it is a form of expressionism. It's gonna be around for a while so get used to it and accept it. Until it threatens your life, get over it and just don't listen to it! And you shouldn't try to make people feel bad about what they choose to listen to, that does not make them any lesser of a person.
quote:All kids do listen to only what's popular on the airwaves. Ask any junior high or elementary-age kid what music they like, and how much you want to bet that they'll mention Eminem or Chingy or whoever?
You can NOT assume that all children listen to rap! And if there parents were monitoring what they listened to then I bet they wouldn't know what rap is.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
quote: You need to have excellent breath control and you need excellent rhythm.
In my opinion, a couple mill and countless women willing to throw themselves at the feet of the person who raps about violence against them seems to be enough for most any male to rap himself to oblivon in the hip hop industry. With a couple computer manipulations and plenty of pounding bass, BAM: you have yourself a hit. Not that I don't like any rap--just pretty much all of it.
quote: I don't necessarily like the words, which you can barely understand to begin with.
You're willing to make your life anthem (so to speak, since that's your music preference) out of words you can't understand? Not too wise--read the lyrics of Snoop Dogg's new album and perhaps you'll see my point. E.G. "You gotta put a bi*** in her place-- Even if it means slapping her in her face." Good choice.
quote: Some kids will listen to music just because it is popular, which is a shame...
All kids do listen to only what's popular on the airwaves. Ask any junior high or elementary-age kid what music they like, and how much you want to bet that they'll mention Eminem or Chingy or whoever?
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