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Originally posted by Ohiosweetgirl:
Writing their own songs, isn't the only display of their talent. They as well have to perform it good and have the good rapping skills.

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Being a talented rapper means very little if ur song is crap to begin with. It's not like you need to have good vocal skills or anything its just that u have to be able to talk fast. Rap is one of the main genres that relies heavily on lyrics to be of a high standard in order to succeed. It's a pity that so many kids are attracted to the current lyrics thats all.

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Originally posted by Ohiosweetgirl:
Writing their own songs, isn't the only display of their talent. They as well have to perform it good and have the good rapping skills.

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Being a talented rapper means very little if ur lsong is crap to begin with. It's not like you need to have good vocal skills or anything its just that u have to be able to talk fast. Rap is one of the main genres that relies heavily on lyrics to be of a high standard in order to succeed. It's a pity that so many kids are attracted to the current lyrics thats all.

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if that is so steph, why are more and more children cussing these days???

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They don't necessarily hear the cuss words from rap but from parents as well. I believe that parents really need to watch what they say or do, becase are more apt to repeat their parents than rap artist.

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I agree and disagree. Music is a talent but it doesnt mean that all musicians - namely rappers have talent. Rappers no longer have to necessarily write their own lyrics or make the beat its all done through the commercial machine that the music industry has become. Because so much money is involverd nowadays music is becoming a lower level because artists have making money in mind not expressing themselves through good music.

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Writing their own songs, isn't the only display of their talent. They as well have to perform it good and have the good rapping skills.

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Steph is right.... I dont like rap personally because MOST of them are about obsceneities and cuss words... but those rap music that speak of how life is good and about God, that I approve... and the lyrics above makes me feel enlightened knowing that my account has been terminated, and yet, i am still strong to pursue my goodwill mission.

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That's good Jamaica. You are a strong determined person which says alot about your character

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You disappoint me Steph... you're turning out like everyone else

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I didn't actually cuss. I did the stars myself to show her that I knew what she meant. I'm sorry that disappointed you, but I feel disappointed in you sometimes too I really like you Jamaica and see that your trying to do good and make a big difference and I am with you on that and I really admire your determination. But you can't put people down in order to get up, cuz that's not getting you anywhere. You have uintentionally hurt people with your words and that is bad. I know that your better then that Jamaica. You can only save the people that want to be saved. You can only make a difference to those who let you in and accept you and Jesus. You have a good heart and are doing a good thing, just that sometimes you approach things wrong. I do like you and have alot of respect for you, but you need to respect yourself enough to know that not everyone is for this goodwill mission and not everyone will accept it. It's their lose and soon enough they will realize this. Save the judging for God on judegement, because in the end Jamaica these people that do evil only have to live themselfs and their mistakes and face them everyday. In the end God will do what is right and they will have their regrets. You must have patience and stay strong!

So she has returned under another name, again...

hmm i have more to say. what does whoever said "rap music is clearly getting out of hand" mean by that? the popularity or the music itself?

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No softball chica you didnt sound like a *****.

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You disappoint me Steph... you're turning out like everyone else.. Sure, i have been stating this ever since i started my goodwill mission, that i cannot totally wipe out all the evil in the world and that includes cuss words....and i know that nobody can also make them go away, but the fact that even you, are using it, it is like..."hey, why are more and more people using cuss words, instead of lessening them?? and also, we are talking about rap music with vulgar words in them right??? So, now, that asteriks above means you are no better than those rap musicians who include cuss words in their songs????

......"where is this going anyway?" If many people are saying rap music is clearly out of hand because there are too many cuss words in them, why are you also saying it Steph? Where is the "I want to make a difference?"

Music is subjective, whatever it is,. you cant determine that a song has an absolute meaning. The issue of a song or genre being good or bad istn such a good thign to discuss. what's good or bad about it would be a better thing would be somethign good about the song. you cant claim a song sucks, because it probably means soemthig to somebody. if you knwo what i mean.
"Commercial" artists may not be as orginal and talented but it is all subjective.

[quote]God show me the way because the Devil trying to break me down
(Jesus Walks with me)
The only thing that I pray is that me feet don't fail me now
(Jesus Walks)

Steph is right.... I dont like rap personally because MOST of them are about obsceneities and cuss words... but those rap music that speak of how life is good and about God, that I approve... and the lyrics above makes me feel enlightened knowing that my account has been terminated, and yet, i am still strong to pursue my goodwill mission.

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Music is a talent whether it be Rap,Rock,Pop,etc

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I agree and disagree. Music is a talent but it doesnt mean that all musicians - namely rappers have talent. Rappers no longer have to necessarily write their own lyrics or make the beat its all done through the commercial machine that the music industry has become. Because so much money is involverd nowadays music is becoming a lower level because artists have making money in mind not expressing themselves through good music.

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We shouldn't try to take the artists creativness away from them. They have the right to express themselfs as long as the bad stuff is edited before it hits the airs.

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if that is so steph, why are more and more children cussing these days??? Even if they edit them out, teens would still find a way to use them..... That is why i cant understand why they would include such things in their songs... and also, like porn... before it is just in magazines, but now, its all over the internet..... So, even if these people are being creative, still they had a very hugs BAD impact to the other generations....... because once tasted, always wanted (i heard this bad sexual joke in school) Just like in rap, once new generations hear it, it will be hopeless to stop them from listening. The only way to stop it is to not let singers include vulgar words in their songs.

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Did it disgust you other rappers win and why is eminem singled out DMX's Grand Champ album was WAY more homophobic profanity stricken and violent then ANY eminem record but i didnt see 1 picket sign go up for it why is that? its because eminem is white and can be singled out more by the media if anyone questioned DMX(he is a very talented artist and i am a fan)the whole racial issue would come up

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whatever... that just goes to show, people LOVE cussing (except me), day in and day out, rain or shine, whether in their beds or in their bathrooms, whether listening to Eminem or some other kind of trashy rap singer, they STILL LOVE TO LISTEN TO VULGAR LANGUAGES. Those who do like Eminem's songs and those who do like vulgar languages are people who live on vulgar languages and drink them as if its the last drop of water on earth.

It's cool riskia, we're still cool

I see what you, Jookly, and Toolz are saying. I agree a bit but I don't know about the rest. I'm sure that music does influence it's listeners some, but I don't think that someone in thier right mond and in good conscienceness would hear a song about killling and decide that it's what they need to do to solve their probelms. If they say that it does, I would truly have to say that it's just an excuse. Alot of rap that contains songs about Jesus or doing good, are never copied ir repeated. Why do you think that is? Because the people that do the bad, would have done it regardless to the music they heard. Sure I do believe that some of rap isn't appropriate but I still think that it's ok and that it shouldn't be banned. They edit the really bad music and really considered parents would watch their children's activites. A child that was brought up with good manners, morals, and sense of right and wrong would know that the things rap consist of are often frawned upon and considered wrong. We shouldn't try to take the artists creativness away from them. They have the right to express themselfs as long as the bad stuff is edited before it hits the airs.

Im going to have to disagree with you on this topic.I believe rap is an art just like any other kind of music, it's a way of expressing yourself.I like all kinds of music and for you to say rap is getting off hand is bias!Music is a talent whether it be Rap,Rock,Pop,etc

Ohio, I have to say this is one issue I don't agree with you on. All music affects its listeners in some way. Whether it's made to be heard like a story, an experience or even some kind of fantasy. It affects the listeners. I believe what Jookly and Toolz are trying to say is that it's the way you hear the music. No music heard in the world should show any support of drugs or sex. Whether the music is rock, rap, folk, country or any other type of music. Sure music artists should express their feelings, but not so much that the music could quite possibly influence it's listeners to try something that they might have heard in the lyrics. You guys are right though, anything found on the charts is crap, simply because it doesn't state what's really being said in the lyrics. I'm not saying that every kid or teenager out in the world today is going to go and do something the music artist said he/she did in the lyrics, but I'm saying that the music will affect everyone at some point. Sex and alcohol should definately be cut down. Being censored simply makes a kid feel like they need to do it simply because they can't.

Oooh, Coolio. I remember him. Yeah, he was talented. That song "Gangsta's Paradise" was fantastic.

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Jookly i agree with u 100% anything that is on the charts tends to be crap.. and the rap i was talking about is stuff like chingy, 50 cent ect. Rap like coolio for instance is of substance and does have a legit meaning behind it which journeys past sex and drugs

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you are a person who knows what they are talking about. That makes me happy.

Ok whatever. Im not sure if you guys are agianst what Im saying or for it. Somw where I got lost. But my point is that music is an art, a way of expressing feelings, emotions and talents. People should not be told that they cannot express themselfs or their talents. It's what they do and what they enjoy doing. It does NOT directly affect anyone and anyone that says it does is truly blind.

Jookly i agree with u 100% anything that is on the charts tends to be crap.. and the rap i was talking about is stuff like chingy, 50 cent ect. Rap like coolio for instance is of substance and does have a legit meaning behind it which journeys past sex and drugs

I've never felt so confused in my life. What the hell do you mean?

The problem here is that you guys arent talking about legitament hip-hop/rap at all you are taking about pop music. Contrived pop music always sucks no matter what genre it is from but the genre of Hip-Hop/Rap is not just pop music just like rock isnt just pop music just like jazz isnt just pop music just like r&b isnt just pop music. So someone hurry and make a "Contrived pop music sucks" thread because it isnt rap that is the problem, it is your deffinition that is messed up.