UH - there ARE religions that don't beleive in a heaven or hell. It's called reencarnation. They believe that when people die they don't go anywhere. Their souls will become animals (Hindus believe their ancestors are cows - just one example).

How about this.... When ya'll go to hell, write jesusfreak and tell him what it's like, and when he's in heaven, he'll write you!!! Oh, wait, according to you, it doesn't exist. Hmmmmm.... doesn't that mean that there isn't a hell. And if that's right(which I doubt because every religion has some sort of hell) then you'll be floating around for all eternity because realize it or not YOU HAVE A SOUL!! You better hope there is someone with a sixth sense, 'cause without it, there'll be no one to hear your screams.

prove that it does

Prove that it does'nt exist.

"""The Bible is not fiction and the Heaven spoken about in the Bible is a real place."""
___Do my ears deceive me... or is it actually echoing idiocy in here?

"No, it's not the fact that they sound remotely like another band."

I thought that this post was about their whether they sounded similar to another band, not just plain out if they sucked or not..


"However, the vast majority of people out there who listen to this band are doing so only because it's one of thier only exposures to bands that aren't Linkin Park or crap like them.
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I'm not totally sure what you meant..But, why can't people just listen to music because they like how it sounds? I mean, I don't keep up with things like punks, goths, rockers, etc..I just go with what MY ear tells me. I really don't know a lot of people that claim to like music because their friends do, or as a backup when someone says "WHAT? YOU LIKE LINKIN PARK?!" It gets to a point sometimes where people can't admit to like music, simply because people will look down on them because of their views..


"Yes, good audio equipment will make ANY band sound better. But if it's needed to sound good, then you've got a mediocre band on you hands."

...Their CD, Fallen, was, according to Rolling Stone, something that took several years to compile. After this long, you can get some deep sounds. I've grown to like Evanescence for their deep sounds. What I meant to say before was that I still think it sounds fine on a bad stereo, but to get the full experience you need good equipment to hear the pings and bass. Obviously all music sounds better with more bitrate and a better system, but you can't hate a band because it is slightly more crucial for this..

"The whole uber-bass thing is overrated."

I'm not the one that said this (Yeah, I know you're not saying I did) but I think what ICELAND meant was controlled bass. I don't think he meant "uber-bass." I play bass (I try) and as much as people think it's a supporting intrument, a good bass line can make all the difference. Of course the music still makes sense without the bass, but now we get back to what I was saying about how their music is "deep" because you can have multiple complicated sounds running through your head at once, creating a nice melody.

Last thing, although it is possible Durst did do a remake of that song for more money, it's also possible he just had fun doing it.. I mean, I jam with my friends, we try to play songs that already exist, they sound horrible, but it is tons of fun still! I think some people assume too much..Bad actions outweigh good, etc.

frank zappa's song was called "my guitar wants to kill your momma" but does he really mean it? probably not.

Thank you! A perfect example!

Its more like people who think santa has a workshop at the northpole.

The bible is fiction.

I have never heard of either group, but anyone who says Heaven is a lie is crazy. Read your Bible!

-----"""No, it's not the fact that they sound remotely like another band. That's not what common is. It's the fact that thier music ranges from horrible (electronica crap) to merely ok (vocal/piano)."""

What? Are you saying all electronica is horrible? Yeah, well that's pretty damn opinionated, boy. And a big generalization. And there is not much "electronica" in Evanescence anyway.


-----"""The only redeeming factor of the band is the vocals, and that's only in the songs centered around her (ie. Hello) The music doesn't seem to have any energy. It's just the same filler, and it gets worse from there."""

What "filler"? And don't try saying the music has no evergy, that is just not true. It reeeeaaallly isn't. I won't even pretend to acknowledge that, because that's just a lie.


-----"""Point being, I may just dislike Evansences style."""

Hey, the one true thing you've said.


-----"""However, the vast majority of people out there who listen to this band are doing so only because it's one of thier only exposures to bands that aren't Linkin Park or crap like them."""

How the hell would you know? I listen to a ton of music you jerk. Lol. I guarantee my "musical exposure" is WAY wider than average, probably wider than yours, not saying that out of anger, I would be generally surprised to find someone with as broad musical exposure as me. Oh yeah, by the way, popularity and who listens to it are pretty bad reasons for why you don't like the band.


-----"Music that is better than Evanesence:
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What the hell is that? Keep your opinions to yourself when trying to prove why a band is bad. It's your damn opinion, it's not a fact.



-----"""Yes, good audio equipment will make ANY band sound better. But if it's needed to sound good, then you've got a mediocre band on you hands."""

I meant it's much better compared to most other bands when listened to with good/average speakers or better, headphones since there are a lot of subtleties and effects in the music. Call it "electronic crap" if you want to, I just think it makes the music more interesting, I don't think it's a sin to violate the drums/guitar/bass/vocals formula a little. But, that's okay, I know there are tons of people who will rail against me for that, and say it's fake and stupid, and "electronic crap". Sorry for listening to something slightly different. Sorry if I'm a stupid poser punk just cuz I'm not completely in the new "we're cool because we don't listen to popular music" group. I don't care how popular it is, or how long it's been around (referring to you test of time comment), I just listen to what I, and only I, want to.


-----"""The whole uber-bass thing is overrated. You'll get tired of it after the novelty of it wears off."""

I said nothing about uber-bass. I just said dont judge it by listening to it in your friends car for two minutes.


------"""To simplify this massive post, you guys need to experiance more music. And I don't mean listen to one or two overly popular Stones or Beatles songs and think your a connesuir."""

Assuming that is aimed at me, CaptainGordo, and others who like Evanescence, well, you don't know us or what we listen to. Don't generalize. I don't think I am a connoisseur, though, compared to most, I probably am.

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(some) The Strokes

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Everclear (So Much for the Afterglow)

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Offspring

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The music doesn't seem to have any energy. It's just the same filler, and it gets worse from there.

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You said it for me regarding such tasteless bands.

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It's not really fair to attempt to spread hatrid of a band because you believe it sounds similar to another band... Is each artist required to search through the archives of music history to make sure their lead vocalist's voice frequency doesn't match another's in some random and completely unrelated song?

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No, it's not the fact that they sound remotely like another band. That's not what common is. It's the fact that thier music ranges from horrible (electronica crap) to merely ok (vocal/piano).
The only redeeming factor of the band is the vocals, and that's only in the songs centered around her (ie. Hello) The music doesn't seem to have any energy. It's just the same filler, and it gets worse from there.

Point being, I may just dislike Evansences style. However, the vast majority of people out there who listen to this band are doing so only because it's one of thier only exposures to bands that aren't Linkin Park or crap like them.

Music that is better than Evanesence:
(in alphabeltical formate )

AC/DC
Alanis Morisette
Arlo Guthrie
Bad Company
Bad Religion
(some) Barenaked Ladies
The Beatles (all of it)
(some) Beck
Billy Joel
Black Sabbath
Bob Dylan
The Brian Setzer Orchestra
Bright Eyes <--Listen to THIS if your depressed
Cake
Cat Stevens
(some) Chemical brothers
The Clash
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Eagle Eye Cherry
Elvis Costello
Eric Clapton (<-- check out Unplugged)
Everclear (So Much for the Afterglow)
(some) Fiona Apple
(some) G Love and the Special Sauce
Gin Blossoms
(some) Gorillaz
The Grateful Dead
The Hives
Hot Hot Heat
Iron Maiden
(some) Jeff Buckley (check out Hallelujah)
(some) Jet
Jethro Tull
Jimi Hendrix
John Lennon
John Prine (if you're into 60's folk music )
Judas Priest
The Kinks
The Knack
Led Zeppelin
Little Feat
Lynard Skynard
Marcy's Playground
The Mars Volta
Nirvana
No Doubt (older stuff)
(some) NOFX
Offspring (before and including Americana)
Operant Ivy
Phantom Planet
Pink Floyd
Presidents of the United States of America
Queen
Raidohead
Ram Jam
The Ramones
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Reel Big Fish
The Rolling Stones
Carlos Santana
(some) Semisonic
The Sex Pistols
(some) Something Corporate
Steppenwolfe
(some) Steve Miller Band
(some) The Strokes
(some) Sublime
(some)Third Eye Blind
Three Dog Night
Tom Petty (& the Hearbreakers)
Twisted Sister
The Velvet Underground
The Verve Pipe
The White Stripes
The Who
ZZ top

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Overall, like ICELAND said, they are a good band when listened to with the right equipment, in my opinion.

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"Tourniquet" and "Everybody's fool" are great songs, listen to those. And listen to them on good speakers or headphones, with bass. It's like hearing music infused with vibrance and life compared to other bands that have nothing to separate them from the millions of others like them

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Yes, good audio equipment will make ANY band sound better. But if it's needed to sound good, then you've got a mediocre band on you hands. Stick The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Nirvana, The Kinks, into a crappy stereo and it'll still sound good.

The whole uber-bass thing is overrated. You'll get tired of it after the novelty of it wears off. It's not infused with vibrance, it's just pumping up sound on an equalizer so that it vibrates you skull. You can do that with anyone if you screw around with the setting enough.

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You know "Behind Blue Eyes"? By Limp? Well it aint, it's a remake of an older song. Who the hell cares if a band does a remake, it's not even a well-known remake at that, is Evanescence making millions off that remake?

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Yes, it's by The Who, and I've been listening to it for years. Durst's version sucks, it's a cheap attempt to sound legitimate after everyone realized that Limp Bizkit was a worthless band that didn't survive the test of time.

The simple act of making a remake isn't a bad thing. But the remake has to be good. Reel Big Fish does a bunch of nice covers that keep the same feel of the original song but sound unique and have a different energy to them.

To simplify this massive post, you guys need to experiance more music. And I don't mean listen to one or two overly popular Stones or Beatles songs and think your a connesuir.

Guess what? Every night, I pray that they won't be able to live another day. I mean, what the crap? Why can't they just find their own songs? Evanescence is like...the best singer in the world. Am, anyone else agrees????

I'd have to agree with ICELAND on some level... Save for the "SHOVEITSHOVEITSHOVEIT" parts...

It's not really fair to attempt to spread hatrid of a band because you believe it sounds similar to another band... Is each artist required to search through the archives of music history to make sure their lead vocalist's voice frequency doesn't match another's in some random and completely unrelated song? It's like chess, everything is already mapped out . It's one thing to dislike a band on your own opinion that it is "copying" another band, but another to just spread the word, and give narrow examples. Evanescence has a range of different songs, melodies, themes, and etc, so I can't really see how multiple rhythms and such can copy ONE singular song.

Overall, like ICELAND said, they are a good band when listened to with the right equipment, in my opinion. Another thing they do is mix up the beginning and ends of songs. Some bands tend to do things like weird beginning -> guitar joins -> loud lyrics -> soft lyrics -> solo -> soft ending. I think they mix this up somewhat.

-----"""Jesus, that cover of Heary Shaped Box proves that Evanesance is a soulless corporate entitiy. They suck, I'm sorry. Their music is common at best and annoying at worst."""

All you Evanescence haters can SHOVE IT. Get their damn cd you b¡tches, don't judge them by the amount your friends dislike them or by the two songs radio DJ's overplay like hell. There is no damn way they are a soulless band, there are a ton of poser bands out there, Evanescence aint one. LOL. And their music is NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT common! One of the reasons I like, and admire, them is because they are so unique. What the hell? How are they common? Who else do they sounds like? Ok, so you claim they copy Lacuna Coil. Well, they may sound somewhat similar, but that is TWO similar sounding bands (and personally I see big differences between the two bands). Take any other popular boy band, Sum41, Chevelle, Blink182 and there are waaaaayyyyy more similar sounding bands there. I'm in no way saying they're bad, but come on, there are so many more bands like them, if you're going to say Evanescence is common! If you get their cd, and listen to it, you will realize Evanescence is quite unique for a variety of reasons: 1) Female vocals. 2)Very dark tone and sound. 3)A ton of subtleties and sounds you might not notice unless you listen closely, there are a ton of really cool really deep or just difficult to hear immediately or on crappy speakers sounds and effects. 4) Evanescence is, gothic music. There is NOT a lot of that around at all. K, now how exactly are they common again? Oh yeah, and more bands make re-makes of classic songs than you might think. You know "Behind Blue Eyes"? By Limp? Well it aint, it's a remake of an older song. Who the hell cares if a band does a remake, it's not even a well-known remake at that, is Evanescence making millions off that remake? Not yet! Do you think it's possible people have sat down with their guitar and sung Nirvana songs? Noooooo, neeeeeevveeeerrr!!!!!!! And leave Jesus out of this, mofo! I don't know what your definition of soulless corporate entity is, but Evanescence was a band in it's hometown a long time before it got a label, they would perform in clubs in Littlerock (same town our great ex-pesident Billy C. came from, btw).

SHOVEITSHOIVEITSHOIVEITSHOVEY-SHOVE-SHOVEIT! They're a great band with a unique sound, in my opinion the stuff on their cd Fallen (they have a LOT of music from before they got so much attention, too) is way better than what is represented in the media. "Tourniquet" and "Everybody's fool" are great songs, listen to those. And listen to them on good speakers or headphones, with bass. It's like hearing music infused with vibrance and life compared to other bands that have nothing to separate them from the millions of others like them

I think the best Nirvana song without a doubt is "You Know You're Right". The last song Kurt recorded before he bit the dust.

"Heart Shaped Box"... why... why... this was like the only Nirvanna song I liked and they had to ruin it.

I don't care what the hell Davey is. *growls playfully

Lacuna Coil was formed even before Evanescence..... they just sound the same no copying....their music is very different...LC is metal kinda and Evanescence is soft rock...