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<JoeyDauben>
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Punk rock, I'm pointing at you.
Followers of these so-called "rebellious" punk bands, and the movement itself, need to pick either politics or music.
Bands like Rancid, virtually any band associated with the term "punk rock," or bands like Rage Against The Machine & Audioslave, need some education before ever singing another damn song.
Take Rage: they're 100% Communist. They preach against everything-capitalist, yet they rake in MILLIONS of dollars and OWN property in Los Angeles.
Hypocritical pieces of ...
Audioslave is high on Marxism, and they even played a show in Cuba, where there ARE ZERO rights.
Yet, when some uneducated fan goes out to purchase one of these bands' CDs, they are participating in the economic system (capitalism) that the "artists" preach against.
Local music fans in Dallas need not look further than Fallen From The Nest's latest album cover. The lead singer is wearing a Che Guevera shirt.
Che was a FREAKIN COMMUNIST, yet tons of unsuspecting/uneducated fans utilize the capitalist system to PURCHASE a shirt featuring a FREAKIN COMMUNIST on the front.
How hypocritical can you be?
The entire punk movement is so full of ****, to be honest with you.
Do you honestly think you're "rebelling" when EVERY fan looks, dresses, and acts the same? Give me a break.
Here's the deal: thank capitalism for putting you up so high. Thank those arch-evil corporations for even putting your *** on the radio.
Then, keep your mouth shut.
Warped Tour crowds are perfect examples of the hypocritical-uneducated-socialist-anti-capitalist folks I'm talking to.
The very damn tour is sponsored by a myriad of corporations.
You might like the music, but find out what they're REALLY singing about.
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Registered: June 27, 2003
Posts: 328
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quote: Music is meant to be political. Has been since the '60s, and probably even before that.
Yes I love that!!!
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6054
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Music is meant to be political. Has been since the '60s, and probably even before that.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 27, 2003
Posts: 328
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quote: You just love to make random comments to discredit those who don't agree with you and place your self on a pediastal.
What!! I'm so glad you helped prove my point. People get on here and don't know what the hell they are talking about and soeone else agrees. Someone else will probably come to your defense. Also tell me how is that discrediting what someone else said.?That's exactly what he/she said and I didn't make fun of them. Also who says he/she doesn't agree with me. As far as I can see that's what I said. You can express your beliefs even if you don't know what you are talking about. Artists should be given that same respect. If you don't like the lyrics don't listen.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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I just got the new Neil Young CD...it's totally anti-Bush. There is a song entitled "Let's Impeach the President". Pretty awesome..
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: May 01, 2006
Posts: 11
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quote: Originally posted by pandora03: quote: Other idiots who don't know what they're talking about agree with them.
Exactly that's what people do on here.
You just love to make random comments to discredit those who don't agree with you and place your self on a pediastal. |
Registered: June 27, 2003
Posts: 328
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quote: Other idiots who don't know what they're talking about agree with them.
Exactly that's what people do on here.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
Posts: 5770
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I pre-ordered Neil Young's latest CD that is anti-Bush on itunes just for kicks.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: May 03, 2005
Posts: 258
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Even if people don't know what they are talking about, they can still express they're beliefs. Not to be rude, but they just make themselves sound like idiots. Other idiots who don't know what they're talking about agree with them.
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: June 27, 2003
Posts: 328
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By us getting on here and voicing our opinions are the same thing. Artists have a great vehicle and platform with getting the word out. What's the difference between what we do and whya they do? Many people come on here everyday and half the people on here don't know what the hell they are talking about. Yet someone always agrees with them.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: May 03, 2005
Posts: 258
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quote: I have no problem with listening to songs laced with politics as long as there's a clear and logical message, good lyrics and decent instrumentals.
I agree. Music and politics should be kept separate unless the person singing knows what the hell they are talking about. There have been few truly inspiring, intelligent political songs since the 60s and 70s when people were faced with the threat of nuclear eradicaiton. Goodbye Saigon was a very good political song. but today people whine on and on about why war is bad making idiotic metaphors to rain and flowers. Songwriters feel the need to involve themselves in politics as well. Some of them do drugs and have a high school education and they speak out against the war in Iraq like they're an authority on international relations. Mindless fans listen to what they say because some of them would killthemselves if they're idols told them to.
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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I have no problem with listening to songs laced with politics as long as there's a clear and logical message, good lyrics and decent instrumentals. I see your point about people being hypocritical but you shouldn't judge a song by the people who sing it. And really, music is just a manner of self expression; I would rather hear about Green Day's political opinion than 50 Cent's crazy night in the candyshop. So I just avoid songs like My Humps and Beep and yeah, I really enjoy American Idiot. I find it ironic that a song with the lyrics "One nation controlled by the media" is what got them theire crazy new and younger fanbase though. And kudos to Audioslave for playing in Cuba. The fact that people are denied civil rights doesn't mean they should be denied good music. If only more people could get the hint and tour some third world countries! *coughJordancough*
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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Registered: May 29, 2005
Posts: 216
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Political Message being spewed at you? You're the one who bought the CD or turned the radio on. (Man...sure are a lot of zombie-threads being revived by silverwerewolf....)
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13981
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he's just saying that groups with an anti-free market poltical bag are a bunch of freaking morons and (dear God forgive me) I agree, I also would rather enjoy my tunes with out some political message being spewed at me
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: April 21, 2006
Posts: 23
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Ok. First of all, where the heck did you hear audioslave being a punk band? Second of all, punk is about NOT keeping your mouth shut.Did you think about WHY we are rebelling? Maybe because something in america needs to change. Granted, the whole greenday thing is stupid, but real punk is there to get you off your butt and decide for yourself who is right. Its not about emotions, its about who YOU are and individuality. Its about NOT agreeing with things you don't like. Look farther into your reaserch buddy before you start putting us down.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN BIG GROUPS!
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Registered: April 18, 2006
Posts: 10
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Wow. Joey has a point... I'm amazed! That made my day.
Today has never happened, and it doesn't frighten me.
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Registered: November 03, 2003
Posts: 84
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quote: People have a right to preach what they belive in!
But not in a type of mass media that we have to pay to recieve and enjoy. I, myself, am growing tired of politics in music. My favorite band, The Alkaline Trio, just jumped on that bandwagon, and if their next album shows that, they'll lose a fan. TV is another matter. You can tell with no sense at all what is liberal and what is conservative. I take note of what's on these channels. Very few of them are republican, even in the smallest news stories. Little bit of trivia: FOX NEWS, the "fair and balanced" network, believe it or not, is run by a Muslim. I just found that out.
Arooooooo!
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Registered: September 29, 2004
Posts: 3690
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quote: Originally posted by JoeyDauben:
The entire punk movement is so full of ****, to be honest with you.
Do you honestly think you're "rebelling" when EVERY fan looks, dresses, and acts the same? Give me a break.
Here's the deal: thank capitalism for putting you up so high. Thank those arch-evil corporations for even putting your *** on the radio.
Then, keep your mouth shut.
Warped Tour crowds are perfect examples of the hypocritical-uneducated-socialist-anti-capitalist folks I'm talking to.
The very damn tour is sponsored by a myriad of corporations.
You might like the music, but find out what they're REALLY singing about.
While I (gulp) agree that punk rock is filled with psuedo-anti-establisment morons, you cannot judge a genre of music by its fans. The artists have very little control as to how their fans will react. Yes, punk rock fans buy t-shirts, imitate artists, and are very oblivious to what most of their idols speak of. But since you prefaced your argument by singling out "punk rock" itself, you cannot judge it by its fans. Punk rock, in its purest form, was created to be an answer to the growing conservative movement in society. Was it successful? Meh, not really. It did produce some awesome, and some God-awful music, but most genres do the same. By the same token, you cannot judge pop music by its camera-toting, homemade-T-shirt-wearing, pre-pubescent fanbase. Rock is also a rebellious musical genre with fans who can't tell you WHO coined the term rock 'n' roll, and what song was considered the first of that genre. Country music can be good music made by people across all fifty states (and sometimes internationally), though by looking at the fans, you have a lot of rednecks and Southerners. Sometimes, the music is good and the fans suck. And, frostkitten, while people do have the right to preach what they believe in, Joey is saying sometimes what they people in is a direct contradiction of what they do, specifically in the punk-rock music genre. Artists can put their politics in their music, just as politicians can put their dogma into their politics. It's just what you do and what you say to make yourself popular. Personally, if I find a good punk rock song, it's probably because the music itself, not the lyrics or the artist, is good. Every genre has its hypocrites, its messiahs, its downfalls and its savoirs. Punk rock is no exception.
A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: June 27, 2005
Posts: 70
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People have a right to preach what they belive in!
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Registered: April 10, 2005
Posts: 226
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Joey, you seem very uneducated in punk rock. First off the Warped tour is a very bad example of punk rock. Look at the guys that still tour with their van that always breaks down and the ones that started playing in basements and are still there. Dead Kennedys, Antidote Circle Jerks, The Casualties, The Sex Pistols would be a better example. Randcid, NOFX, Sum 41 etc is punk lite (aka pop punk) anyway.
I was gonna say something meaniful, I was gonna say something wise, I would have said something that meant something to me, but I lost my train of thought
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