Make way for this one on your summer reading list! J.K. Rowling has done it again with teh sixth installment of the Harry Potter Series.

I dont know if there is another board on this but I dont care. I finished the book yesterday and I thought it was excellent.
If you havent read it, or are in the process, i wont spoil anything for you. The only thing i would like to say is, I had expecting what happened at end to happen ever since the previous Harry Potter book came out.

What are your thoughts on the book?

I'll concede, that Snape is still good. You are both very convincing.

I'm still on the 5th book...I really shouldn't have read this thread

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Red, I believe that Snape is good and that Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him. Dumbledore pleads with Snape saying "severus, please..." He nevers says please don't kill me. Dumbledore knows about the unbreakable vow and realizes that if Snape doesn't kill him than Snape will die. Furthermore, Dumbledore recognizes that he dying (the black hand, weak, ect.). He thinks that Snape will be more useful to the Order as a spy.

Very convincing. I like it.

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Pettigrew owes Harry for saving him.

Yes! I was going to make mention of that. Dumbledore said somthing about tthis in the third book.

My reasons for Snape being good:

pg 34--- Narcissa says that Draco has to do something, and wants Snape to do it instead. Snape thinks he has to anyway because the Dark Lord seems to be telling him that.

pg 35---Snape is anxious aboutthe Unbreakable Vow. Agrees to make Bellatrix trust him.

pg 36--- When Narcissa asked him about taking over Draco's job if he failed (killing Dumbledore) and Snape's hands twitched like he wanted to back out of it. He had to do this in order to keep trust and remain a spy. If Dumbledore hadto be sacrificed, so be it, but maybe he hoped that the opertunity would not come. Perhaps he told Dumbledore this, which is why he pleaded with him. Therefore, Snape would not die from breaking the vow.

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Originally posted by redrepublican:

He probably did tell Voldermort. Which is why Voldermort had to find some other means of luring Harry to the Hall of Prophecies to get the Prophecy for him. Fortunately for him, Kreetcher, the Black house elf, was able to provide important info to the Malfoys, who relayed it to the Dark Lord.

Voldemort was tired of waiting for HArry to show up. Lucius even said when they realized Harry didnt know anything they were wondering why he never came sooner. Voldemort just chose to listen to Kreacher say that HArry was all that Sirius cared about, and used that to get HArry quicker.

Red, I believe that Snape is good and that Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him. Dumbledore pleads with Snape saying "severus, please..." He nevers says please don't kill me. Dumbledore knows about the unbreakable vow and realizes that if Snape doesn't kill him than Snape will die. Furthermore, Dumbledore recognizes that he dying (the black hand, weak, ect.). He thinks that Snape will be more useful to the Order as a spy.

Sirius once saved Snape's life. I believe that Snape will save Harry's life. Also, people haven't mentioned Peter Pettigrew. Pettigrew owes Harry for saving him. That is going to be important in Book 7 for sure.

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To all of you who are downplaying Snape, do not underestimate him. Snape is very clever. He is very cunning.

Agreed. But I think Snape is tricking Voldemort. I'm assuming that Snape did something really useful and brave to make Dumbledore trust him.

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I think Snape is still good. In book 5 he found out that Harry didnt know about the prophecy when he used Occlumency on him and saw the corridor. He knew that HArry guessed something was in there, but didnt know what it was. Snape could have told Voldemort this information, but Voldemort and the Death Eaters still thought Harry knew until the end

He probably did tell Voldermort. Which is why Voldermort had to find some other means of luring Harry to the Hall of Prophecies to get the Prophecy for him. Fortunately for him, Kreetcher, the Black house elf, was able to provide important info to the Malfoys, who relayed it to the Dark Lord.

I think Snape is bad. I think Dumbledore knew.

Here is my reasoning. When Dumbledore was on the floor in his office after getting back from the, cave and malfoy is standing over him with a wand pointing at him and the are several other death eaters there that are taunting dumbledore and are egging malfoy on, dumbledore seems to be pretty calm. No?
But hten he all of the suddent becomes tense and frightened. saying, "Severus please..." Before snape had said one word or even announced his prescence.
If Dumbledore had thought snape was on his side, wouldnt he be joyful or relieved that a fellow friend had rushed in to save him at his moment of mortal peril? No. He was, at the moment of Snape's arrival, frightened; genuinely scared. The fact that he was frightened can tell us two things:

1. Severus Snape is bad and,

2. Dumbledore knew that Snape was bad.

To all of you who are downplaying Snape, do not underestimate him. Snape is very clever. He is very cunning. We are talking about the guy who invented 'SECTUMSEMPRA' at the age of 16.
The guy that knew more about potions that his teacher did.
The guy that, if you will remember from Black's monlogue in the third book, knew more aobu the dark arts when he arrived at hogwarts than most of the seventh years.

Dumbledore may be the most powerful wizard in the world, but even he himself has stated that he has made many mistakes. But the fact that he is Dumbledore, drives me to the undeniable conclusion that he knew about snape's betrayal.

Why did he keep snape at hogwarts?
why did he claim to trust him?
why did he allow snape so close to harry?

I dont know.

My second reason in believing this is because J.K. Rowling has a tendency to "do the unexpected" and I am trying to expect the unexpected. (yea i know, overused phrase)

Xanga

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Originally posted by gc16buffers:
It seemed that j.k rowling is focused a little too much on death.

Well, duh, Harry's focused on death, Sirius died..or maybe that's what you meant....Besides, they're in a freaking war, what do you expect?

i think that the book was the worst read ever so far. I got bored in the first chapter, the only chapter that i thought was the best was the last one. It seemed that j.k rowling is focused a little too much on death.

ehm I wouldn't go so far as to call it the best book ever and start capatilising and the like, but it was a good read. I so wasn't expecting the Dumbledore.
I'm relatively certain that Snape has to be good. Surely Dumbledore, the greatest wizard of the time, the only man Voldemort ever feared, couldn't be fooled by the damn potions teacher?

The relationships in the book annoyed me. It seemed so cheesy. Although Ron and Lavander amused me, I'm so wishing Hermione and him would just get plastered on firewhiskey and hop in the sack. tsk.

Yeah good book, but the third remains my favourite.

I agree with punkz13

BEST. EFFING. BOOK. EVER.

I think Snape is still good. In book 5 he found out that Harry didnt know about the prophecy when he used Occlumency on him and saw the corridor. He knew that HArry guessed something was in there, but didnt know what it was. Snape could have told Voldemort this information, but Voldemort and the Death Eaters still thought Harry knew until the end

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That is the first thought that popped into my mind. I was going to check back in the fifth book where they explain the House of Black to see if Regulus' middle name started with an 'A'. I never did get to it.

Red, I checked. It does not say what Regulus' middle initial is. However, Sirius had an uncle whose name began with an A. So it is possible.

The best darn book in the entire world!

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R.A.B. is it possible that RAB is Regulus Black?

That is the first thought that popped into my mind. I was going to check back in the fifth book where they explain the House of Black to see if Regulus' middle name started with an 'A'. I never did get to it.

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