I know that the Holocaust was apart of our history. I also know that there are people out there that don't think it really happened and that it's just a hoax. I just want to know what you guys think. Do you believe that it really happened? Why or why not? Or do you not believe it and think it's a hoax? Again, why or why not?

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if you are on some stupid crusade against your own country then do the research and prove that i am wrong but dont call me a liar because you dont like the truth.

First off, I'm not on a crusade against my country, so I don't need to do the research. Where did you get that silly idea anyways? We're questioning your idea that Saddam was going to start the next world war, not your patriotism.

Furthermore, I am not calling you a liar; I merely want proof. There is no truth without proof.

And to add on to what LTR said, you may already know something, but others don't and you need to prove it to them, if you can. Anyone can say they know something, but without any sort of proof, you stand little chance of convincing others of that.

Imagine if I were to say, "I know for a fact the world is flat." Everyone would laugh and point and call me a complete nutjob. Now, if I want to make everyone else believe the same as I do, I would need to offer up some satellite photos or whatnot in order to strengthen my claim that the world is flat. Without doing this, no one will ever believe me. But if I have proof, then I can start to sway others to the belief that the world is flat.

It is the duty of the claimant to prove himself right; it is not our duty to prove him wrong.

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So you expect me to waste my time proving something i already know? No if i am so wrong you should be able to prove it like i said if your on some crusade then prove me wrong until then i will assume that your just being a sore loser

I'm just telling you how a debate works.I know very little on this subject so I am neither refuting or defending your statement. I am merely telling you that to convince OTHERS you need to state where you got your information

You are naive to believe that Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons. We helped them to acquire most of the material needed to build nuclear weapons, and biological weapons during the 80s. Hussein tested biological agents on the Kurds when he invaded Kuwait. The effects of those attacks can still be found in Kuwait today.

However, I do not think the US found any weapons when they invaded this time. I do not know where you manifested that idea.

However, again you are naive to believe that they didnt have them. for all we know they could still be there... hidden. or the more logical answer, they simply moved them. They had plenty of time, as they stalled with the UN inspectors.

So you expect me to waste my time proving something i already know? No if i am so wrong you should be able to prove it like i said if your on some crusade then prove me wrong until then i will assume that your just being a sore loser

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If i say something i believe it to be a fact and am not going to spend my free time proving something i already

This site is to dabate. To debate you need to prove your point and that means you need to give us facts and tell us where they are from.

If i say something i believe it to be a fact and am not going to spend my free time proving something i already know if you are on some stupid crusade against your own country then do the research and prove that i am wrong but dont call me a liar because you dont like the truth.

Refusal to provide sources...a sure sign there aren't any.

If you're so willing to tell us all what you think about the matter and make rather outlandish claims, you should be able to easily produce some sources to back you up. We're not going to do your research for you.

Research it yourself and if i am wrong tell me i wont be pissed if i am proven wrong.

saddam was an awful tyrant no doubt about that, but as the frontline against terrorism, iraq was a bad choice. Iraq combatted terrorists, terrorists and gave them no home.

I am also interested to hear the evidence for nuclear technology in iraq knighthammer?

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US troops found nuclear technology in Iraq buried and hidden what does that tell you?

Let's see a news article to back that up. I didn't hear of anything nuclear weapon related being found.

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Saddam was trying to get plutonium from Africa again what does that tell you?

What's your source?

US troops found nuclear technology in Iraq buried and hidden what does that tell you? Saddam was trying to get plutonium from Africa again what does that tell you?

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What isn't a matter of opinion is that the US used a nuclear weapon on innocent civilians when more could have been done to end the war without its use.

Whether or not the war could have ended without nuclear weapons is debatable. However, it is fact that the US dropped a nuclear bomb on innocent civilians.

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Saddam at the very least was on his way to getting nuclear weapons

You don't know that.

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We nuked japan because they had no interest in any peace so we showed them who they were f--king with

That's a very immature attitude.

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Iraq may have not had nukes but they were going in that direction.

proof, please.

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Iran should be delt with next north korea ooooh scary! how far did that last missle go? 50 feet? they cant touch us if they ever even got a good shoot our fail safe system would blow it up and send another missle right up kim jung ils ass speaking figuratively of course.

First off thats an immature attitude. Secondly, if they are not threatening us (and according to you, they can't because they dont have the weapondry) then we have no right to play world police. The only justification for war is in self defense and tif there is no threat of attack, then we need ot leave NK and Iran alone.

Its not that we used hydrogen bombs (not nukes) but the reasons we did. We did it to end the war and I am pretty sure it worked Saddam used chemical weapons to oppress his people and could have used them against us. Do you see the difference?

patriotism is not a part of my argument, fact certinely is.

Saddam committed great crimes, but he was punished how the international community felt fit, then proceeded to comply with sanctions. The 2nd gulf war led by the US was illegal and based on false or fabricated evidence. The nuclear attack on Japan can not be proved to be jutified or not, it is a matter of opinion. What isn't a matter of opinion is that the US used a nuclear weapon on innocent civilians when more could have been done to end the war without its use. Perhaps the US just wanted to end the war and occupy japan before Russia invaded, it can be debated, but the US is the only nation to have ever used a nuclear bomb, a weapon more terrifying and destructive to human life than any checmical weapon saddam may have developed.

So now Bush is the evil dictator and Saddam is the innocent man we came and beat down is that what your saying? Saddam at the very least was on his way to getting nuclear weapons and we know for a fact he had chemical weapons because he used the magainst his own people for God's sake. I stand by my opinion that the war in Iraq is just and a step in the right direction. The US actions against Nagasaki and Hiroshima were brought on by Japan itself we did what was neccesary to end WWII and sometimes you need to do nasty things in war. Dont treat me like a child just because i like star wars because that is just low and i expect to be treated like an equal in this debate I know enough to argue with you and state my point but its obvious now that neither of us will convince the other to join their side and that this debate is a matter of patriotism and opinion not fact.

very well put mindy, knighthammer do not bother responding unless it is to refute your previous idiotic remarks. You live in a country which has supressed freedom of speech through social pressures, so do not bother complaining on this matter.

Alright, Knighthammer... First. You need to understand that "Bush" and his regime are dictatorial corporate puppets that are destroying our country utterly, their poor domestic policy, horrendous foriegn policy, and constant incompetence when dealing with foriegn affairs will take decades to work our way out of (let alone our world's largest national defecit). Then you need to stop acting like he's a hero, and that you yourself are some kind of glory-bound zealot.

Saddam had no nuclear weapons, why not? Because we (as in the United States, although it was officially the UN) would harass the shit out of him to prevent it from happening. "Chemical weapons factory"? come now, most "chemical weapons" are made from common household goods (like mustard gas, which is pretty much chlorine in a concentrated gaseous form). So he could have had a Clorox Bleach factory in Iraq and the media (which mind you tells us only what they want us to hear) said it was a weapons plant or somesuch.

As for his connections with terrorists, they threatened his people, his hold on power, and his regime just as much as they threaten the rest of the world, and thus, we butchered them whenever and wherever they were found within his borders, they were often publicly and greusomely tortured until death, or shot.

Also, a campaign against Iran would have been far more justified than any invasion of Iraq, seeing as Iran sees the U.S. as little more than a foriegn income for their revenues, and since we back Israel so much (due to the high population of Jewish people in our country with significant political and finiancial backing) they care for us exceedingly little. However, even an invasion of Iran would be unjust, as they have done nothing outwardly destructive to our people. And the "war" in Iraq, (which has killed nearly 200,000 non-combatant civillians by the way) is even less just, in fact, it is utterly UN-just and preposterously expensive both in cost of finances, resources and human lives.

I could also go into how the U.S.'s attack on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were some of the most vile acts ever committed, right up there in fact with the holocaust itself. But I won't, because you need to read and learn and think for yourself, and blah blah blah... etc. Get a bit older, graduate from school, and get back to the rest of us on politics when your sig isn't a jedi.

Disclaimer! This is not Mindy, this is in fact Matt, a schoolmate and sometime lover of Mindy's. So don't be mad at her.

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Originally posted by Kate127:
Oooh. You got burned!

If you were on my side thanx!

Oooh. You got burned!