Question:
Whats your opinion when the troops should come home. I want to know what you think.

Choices:
now
This year
They should have been came home
Next year
Whenever it's all settle in Iraq

 

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I'm only joking and in no way supporting cannibalism of foreign nationals]

What that's not a good thing? but they're so tasty! (It's a joke people)

Ah well.

And I do eat Iraqis, just so we're clear on that. If you can't beat 'em, eat 'em.

[Note to newbies and fundamentalist Christians: I'm only joking and in no way supporting cannibalism of foreign nationals]

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Originally posted by clpo13:
You were the one who brought up the freedom sandwich, otherwise known as the hamburger. And I threw in freedom--ah, I mean french, fries because I figured you didn't like the French either. Can't stand having someone not agree with you, right?

I've never heard of that...

"Freedom sandwiches?" I was copying Chick-fil-a's "Chicken" sandwiche...ho hum.

Although, on a tangent, you're comment is much more amusing.

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I think that we should have the democracy vote on whether or not they want our troops to stay.

moot point we're leving we may leave a few bases but we'll stay out of the way and Kurdistan(the semi-autnomis kurdish state that is part of the new Iraq) has not asked but demanded we build bases there

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But we simply can't waste any more lives.

what is a wasted life? a life lost to preserve the freedom of our nation and to give freedom to others? sounds like a life well spent to me

You were the one who brought up the freedom sandwich, otherwise known as the hamburger. And I threw in freedom--ah, I mean french, fries because I figured you didn't like the French either. Can't stand having someone not agree with you, right?

I think that we should have the democracy vote on whether or not they want our troops to stay.

If they don't, we leave. If they do want us to stay, we should make a sort of contract; a year or two from then, the same vote will be taken on the same issue, and so on and so forth.

Once they do want us to leave, whether it be straight away or in a couple years, we get up and go. No comming back. At that point, we've given them a chance at their democracy and helped them; if the different tribes are determined to slaughter eachother and the democracy that they've set up can't handle that, then they weren't meant to be a democracy.

But we simply can't waste any more lives.

They held this power because they gave the people the national pride back that they had lost after WW1 they made them proud to be German again then there was all the "it;s the jews fualt, secret police and everything else but many germans didn't know that any of that was occuring those that did were dedicated nazis)

In Iraq the situation was a religous minority terroized the populace with secret police and soliders in the streets along with genocide against the Kurds, so while there are some similartys the basic elements between the two strategys are completely diffrent 1) raises the people up and the other grinds them beneath and iron boot

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Originally posted by clpo13:
I eat hamburgers with french fries. If my food was meant to be free, I wouldn't be eating it, now would I?

...What does that have to do with the American military in Iraq? Do you eat Iraqis?

Honestly, I'm curious.

LMAO, Hamburgers? WTF?

Look, the whole rebuttal focused on the ten percent (10% +/-5%) of German's who where members of the Nazi party. Yet they held dominance over Germany until they were "forced" out of power. We've got similar characteristics in Iraq today.

Here, read this, educate yourself a little:
ED-U-CAT-ION

Guys as a German with lot's of Germna relatives( I have a great grand-somehthings Iron Cross from WW1) I will tell that German hate Nazis if prince Harry had pulled his little nazi stunt in DeutchLand he'd have been lynched prince or not

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Yeah bring us some evidence on that one (reffering to "Iraqi Women are getting addicted to sleeping pills)

I dont believe that this has anything to do with the US military being in Iraq. If u think its noisy there now, you should have been there before. Anyways though, I just wanted to say that although I cant give you a website, I did watch a special on TV awhile back, on Opra I think, dont quote me, that this is true. But this has been going on for a long time. They sell these addictive sleeping pills over the counter like candy. Easy access, easy addiction.

I eat hamburgers with french fries. If my food was meant to be free, I wouldn't be eating it, now would I?

Lets put it this way Germans today hated the Nazis enough to fund israels defense budget

Pop quiz how many Germans were Nazis?

Bonus: When did the rest of them get the balls to kick them outta power?

Conservatives didn't invent freedom, just the freedom sandwich.

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Pop quiz, how long was America in Germany? How strong is Nazi influence in Germany today?

Pop quiz, how much do Germans hate the Nazi ideas?

America didn't stamp out National Socialism. Germans stamped out National Socialism. You conservatives always try to take credit for everything.

Ah, don't you love misplaced political references? I sure do.

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
...pretty much decided that we needed all the power we could get as fast and hard as we could get it. but that was shot down... our president and rummy decided not to take the advice of generals with countless years of combined military experience, because he played politics. so we went in undermanned, so bad to the point where the Army was getting help from the Marines detaining prisoners, which the Marines are not trained to do. The marines do one thing well, kill.

To be fair, the "Hell Mary" was a suggestion. Would it have worked? Yes, it worked for Germany in WWII. Yet this is the strategy we would have used if we had alotted far more resources than the general public was willing to give.

Granted, the Bush adminstration wanted this war, there's no escaping this, but he would have never received a Tonkin Gulf Resolution*, so he was forced to ask "How much would it take to win this war."

And the answer is what you see.

Remember, the intial strategy called for a prolonged campaign. The American High Command expected fierce resistance from Iraqi forces, and large, coordinated strikes from a central authority.

This didn't happen. All those "Stout" armies melted away, how long did it take to reach Baghdad, how long was it supposed to take? Rather than smashing the resistance in a few short months, in large scale conflict, there's been years of guerilla conflict, which was not the scenario expected from these "Experienced professionals"**

Pop quiz, how long was America in Germany? How strong is Nazi influence in Germany today?

*(Sorry, nam ref. couldn't help it.)
**The Bush admistration took their advice btw.

I agree we have lost too many troops and money. AT LEAST pull the troops out.

I agree some proof please!

I still want to see proof

Whoever posted that is implying that the noise and stress of having American forces in Iraq is causing such trauma that the sleep of Iraqi women is suffering. Thus, they're getting addicted to sleeping pills.