What are you talking about? I have a mom, thanks. Are you implying that my mom isn't a good one? And why are you comparing me to Bush?

Very nice, Hydrok.

Freedom- You poor, motherless child.

I would like to dedicate this Bushism to you.
Bushism of the day:
"So thank you for reminding me about the importance of being a good mom and a great volunteer as well." —George W. Bush, St. Louis, Mos., Jan. 5, 2004

Has anyone considered the Sexual Harrasment trojan horse that men face?

I think that women who can perform up to the same standards as the men should be allowed to be in the U.S. military. If they can do everything up to the men's standards, then they should be allowed. As it is, it's not exactly fair to the men or the women that women have lower standards to pass.

"Protective adrenaline"? Are you kidding me? That whole 'maternal instinct' BS- wait, that's just what it is-BS!!

VoA, you also stated that women might get up to defend her husband. Sorry to say this, but most people's primal instinct say 'defend self'. Not 'defend others'. And still, that person isn't necessarily the one needed for the armed forces. (And who's to say the guy doesn't freeze up in the fight or flight mode?)

VoA- That is most certainly not true. Women, especially when children are involved, are far more likely to defend when attacked. Have you heard the story of the Donner party? Many of the women with children survived through cannabalism, hypothermia, and starvation because they knew that in order for their kids to survive, they needed to survive. However, most of the single men died, as they had nothing to live for. I think this protective adrenaline could be channeled into wartime activities.

Sorry if I got a tad off topic.

Bushism of the day:
"They can get in line like those who have been here legally and have been working to become a citizenship in a legal manner."—George W. Bush, on immigrant workers, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2004

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It think at least, only men should be drafted. This is because, even though it is very politically incorrect to say, women, in general, are weaker than men are. Women (agian) in general are not used to the level of physical activity that is involved in the military.

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Not all men are stronger then women.

According to the U.S. Air Force, (and I should know as I leave in 12 days) that these are the standards for me first then women:

Men in the mile and a half for full points <=9:36 Females <=11:06

Pushups, Men >=62 in a min. women, >= 42

Crunches, Men >=55 and women >=51

I used the air force also, because they have the most stringent requirements of all the services. it is clear that men do indeed have to fulfill higher requirements

And if you want to get picky guys have to do twice that of women to even score points on thier fitness exams...
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforce/l/blaffitness.htm

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

BTW I have a gf and am happily in love, thank you very much.

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"not used to" can be debated. After all, obesity is an American "epidemic".

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Well let me illistrate it then. (I appolize in advance if this is a badly told story) Let's suppose that someone broke into the house of married couple. Also in this house there was a gun that the husband and wife could both get to really quickly. Lets say the couple has the gun on a table in the bedroom (and they a both righ next to it), and the burglar is begining to break open the door in order to get into the bedroom. What percentage of women across the US do you think would ever grab the gun in order to defend her husband? Such a woman is practically unheard of, but the exact opposite, a man who would grip the gun in his hand, and standing between the door and his wife in her defense is a much more common person in America. It is the person who would defend the other that we need in American military, and that trait is more often found in the men of American than in the women of America.

"not used to" can be debated. After all, obesity is an American "epidemic".

It think at least, only men should be drafted. This is because, even though it is very politically incorrect to say, women, in general, are weaker than men are. Women (agian) in general are not used to the level of physical activity that is involved in the military.

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Now women are a hinderance, because a unit will have the same number of people in it whether or not it's made up of males or females, for every female in a unit that doubles the work load on a male

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Do you have a source that says this or are you just making up that the workload of men is doubled?

Where do I start? First off, I think it is going to be pretty difficult for you to hold onto a girlfriend...and that is not trying to be mean, but telling the truth...girls have a lot of pride in themselves and you obviously have a vandeta against women...

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Go and get exposed to stuff that gives you loads of the runs and then because your a woman, your body cant handle it as well, just like women cant hold thier booze. Then add to that every woman having thier period at once, and you gotta sloppy jaloppy.

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Not only is that discusting terminology, but also blatantly stereotypical. Most women do not drink as much/as frequently as guys and THAT is why they don't tolerate it as well. Secondly, not every woman gets the runs with her period, in fact, like only half. Third, I know girls with super strong stomachs and guys who puke several times a month...that is a GENERALIZATION and most generalizations are wrong...

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a unit will have the same number of people in it whether or not it's made up of males or females, for every female in a unit that doubles the work load on a male.

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Doubles? Have YOU PERSONALLY ever been in the military to know this? Maybe we should get some REAL men in the military then? Ones who understand the work that goes into it and aren't looking for a paid vacation to war regions...

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Fact is that women cant carry as much and they cant move as fast as men.

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I know some girls who could outrun/outcarry most of my more athletic male friends. These are the types of women who join the military to begin with...

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And there will be no draft so get that out of your head now too... only the army reserves are below goal, and no one really cares about them anyway.

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I said that no women fighting would increase the risk of a draft. Don't you DARE take my words, twist them around and use them against me. I am not an idiot, I read the news and discuss them each day in my global ed. classes...I do not need you to tell me things that I already know.

All in all, I do not think you really grasp the concepts you are trying so hard to argue. I want to be a lawyer and I haven't conceded to a single person on YN yet, so it'd be best for you in the long run if you saved your breath and read my signature because you are really not going to say anything to change my mind...

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So basically what you are trying in your own twisted weird way to say is that girls shouldn't be allowed in the military because the guys have to clean up after them? First, may I say that guys produce waste too, in case you didn't figure that out. Also, something tells me that having the women fighting is more of a help than a hindrance. Also, without women fighting, the risk of a draft increases...and trust me, you won't see me among the draftees... Finally, men look down upon women, it is as simple as that. Something tells me that the person you were working for was exaggerating how horrible it was to burn the waste. If he is in the armed forces, he should be grateful for the help and trust me, if MY life was on the lines, burning waste would be the LAST thing I would be upset about.

To top everything I just said off: I STILL do not understand just how menstruation causes such an excess of waste that would cause a man so much trouble...if you could explain it to me, I would be MORE than happy to hear.

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Can I order your ignorance in a bottle?

Go and get exposed to stuff that gives you loads of the runs and then because your a woman, your body cant handle it as well, just like women cant hold thier booze. Then add to that every woman having thier period at once, and you gotta sloppy jaloppy.

Now women are a hinderance, because a unit will have the same number of people in it whether or not it's made up of males or females, for every female in a unit that doubles the work load on a male. Fact is that women cant carry as much and they cant move as fast as men.

And there will be no draft so get that out of your head now too... only the army reserves are below goal, and no one really cares about them anyway.

So the answer is no, the males do not appreciate the women being there. of course there is always the exception.

So basically what you are trying in your own twisted weird way to say is that girls shouldn't be allowed in the military because the guys have to clean up after them? First, may I say that guys produce waste too, in case you didn't figure that out. Also, something tells me that having the women fighting is more of a help than a hindrance. Also, without women fighting, the risk of a draft increases...and trust me, you won't see me among the draftees... Finally, men look down upon women, it is as simple as that. Something tells me that the person you were working for was exaggerating how horrible it was to burn the waste. If he is in the armed forces, he should be grateful for the help and trust me, if MY life was on the lines, burning waste would be the LAST thing I would be upset about.

To top everything I just said off: I STILL do not understand just how menstruation causes such an excess of waste that would cause a man so much trouble...if you could explain it to me, I would be MORE than happy to hear.

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I think that there should be no women on the front lines, or in this case in the middle east.

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Why don't you argue that one out with the person who began this thread...I would enjoy watching that arguement...

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I'm sure that after he had to burn his first waste barrel he would change his mind

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I think that there should be no women on the front lines, or in this case in the middle east.

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Why don't you argue that one out with the person who began this thread...I would enjoy watching that arguement...

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This reminds me of something i read at a local post office. There was a brochure saying that ALL men needed to register if there was ever a draft. And if u didn't u would be put into jail. Which is pretty sad,However it didn't say anything about women so, i think that women should be treated equally as men as long as restrictions apply to both parties.

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Since you're a newbie I won't totally jump down your throat, but seriously...this discussion has been going on for the past 9 pages...read up a little bit on the current issues in the thread before you post, because a lot of your points have already been argued but you don't know that yet...

This reminds me of something i read at a local post office. There was a brochure saying that ALL men needed to register if there was ever a draft. And if u didn't u would be put into jail. Which is pretty sad,However it didn't say anything about women so, i think that women should be treated equally as men as long as restrictions apply to both parties.