I'm going out on a limb and going to be controvercial again... I think that there should be no women on the front lines, or in this case in the middle east.

I had the pleasure of being the student of a gulf war veteran for a year, and I worked for his contracting company for the summer. His largest complaint about women in the armed services was the fact that women didn't deal well with the desert and a lot of the things they were exposed to... Women unfortunatly have a lot going on inside. And when your in the desert the way you take care of human waste is to dig a hole and put a 50 gallon drum under an outhouse, when it gets full they remove the outhouse and burn the barrel... now women happen to have a lot of negative reactions to chemicals and they all, when camped together for any length of time tend to experience bloody tampon syndrom at the same time... this creates a really nasty mess that the men were responsible for cleaning and burning.

Meagan said all that needed to be said. Good job!

If you drafted women, very few of them would pass the physical and the endurance testing. This already limits the success of having women drafted. Then, women are not allowed on the frontlines...three guesses on where they put the majority of draftees...the frontlines! Therefore, the women who would be drafted (in the hypothetical draft, since no candidate supports the draft...) would only be taking away other jobs from the men and women who enlisted of their own free will, and how fair is that? That means that my cousin who chose to be a marine, would have to give up his job, take a more dangerous one, all because a woman was drafed instead of a man!

Do not twist around my words and accuse me of saying that women should not be allowed in combat. In fact, I think that if a women is strong enough for that position and is willing to risk her life, more power to her! However, I do not feel that women should be required to joint the US Armed Forces, for reasons described in paragraph one.

DEFEND THE MOTHER LAND WE MUST WEMON OR MEN FOR THE GLORY OF MOTHER RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!

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P.S. Northstar has 252 posts in a month and a half. I have, now, 168 posts in almost exactly a year. How does that work?

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I have nearly as much posts as people who've been here for years, and I've only been here since December.

What a wonderful rainbow of names we have on this thread.
RightIsRightLeftisWrong- I wonder where his/her politics lie..
cutiebootie2008- YN is officially no longer sacred

Bushism of the day:
"Another example would be the Dred Scott case, which is where judges, years ago, said that the Constitution allowed slavery because of personal property rights. That's a personal opinion. That's not what the constitution says. The constitution of the United States says we're all — you know, it doesn't say that. It doesn't speak to the equality of America." —George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

I think I'll ignore the urge to offer a substantive/informative argument and instead sit back and watch the newbies fight it with out with amazing arguments such as "no." Oh and this beauty:
"i think me should only be in the u.s. Army because some girls cant handle it! so i think yeah!"

If that doesnt convince you I dont know what will.


P.S. Northstar has 252 posts in a month and a half. I have, now, 168 posts in almost exactly a year. How does that work?

Bushism of the day:
"Another example would be the Dred Scott case, which is where judges, years ago, said that the Constitution allowed slavery because of personal property rights. That's a personal opinion. That's not what the constitution says. The constitution of the United States says we're all — you know, it doesn't say that. It doesn't speak to the equality of America." —George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

I can see where Meagan is coming from. Not saying anything sexist, there are some women that are not as combat ready as men, those are not the ones in the military mind you. I think that if the women make it through the basic training they should be given the option of entering a combat unit. I know a girl in Army ROTC, she is three years younger than me, about 14 inches shorter than me and can simply tear me apart with her bare hands. I think she is more combat than I could ever be. Still, exceptions should not make the rule and there just aren't that many women who would rather go into combat than stay home and help in other ways. When the nation needs them they will serve honorably in their own ways making munitions and helping in volunteer corps. Even though the Draft isn't going to happen, I wouldn't want to see women Drafted when there are so many men who can be selected and serve.

sorry men*

i think me should only be in the u.s. Army because some girls cant handle it! so i think yeah!

Hmmm...i didn't quite follow what you were saying... but let me put it this way...

Once a month, for a day or two, I lay on my couch with my heating pad and I am so drugged up with ibproben, acetominophin and/or naproxen that I just sleep all day...so many women are affected by this and you CANNOT tell me that that would be productive to the armed forces...I personally can think of some much better uses for women on the homefront...but i guess some people aren't as good at multitasking to think about these things...

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Women ar ethe "fairer" sex and we o through more than guys can even dream of...

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i wholehartedly disagree.

yes, you go through cramps and child birth. yes, that hurts. a lot, or so i hear.

however, it doesnt change the fact that soem of the greatest fighters in the history of combat have been fighters. the Amazons, a society that was completely and utterly matriarchal, where men were mere slaves and dolls to the women, they had one of the most deadly "armies" in history. And they had much smaller numbers than, say, the hundreds of thousands of romans in the legions.

You do go through pain, as do men. when your country needs you, dont try and say your better than men, and that you deserve an exception from their request. men used to think themselves superior to women, and now we see each others as equals. lets not start down a path of women seeing themselves higher, because a men's suffrage movement would be a lot more bloody than the woman's suffrage movement was.

as for voting, people who arent drafted should vote, but avoiding the draft, thats a call for a loss of vote. its a felony, and a felon loses his or her right to vote, under U.S. law.

its your right to vote. its the country'r right to ask you to help. you can not vote, just as they can not ask you. but if you vote, you want your vote to count. and if they ask you to serve, you had best report in. we have no room for hypocrites in this country.

The President may decide we need to go to war...but Congress is the one who votes on it and must approve of the President's plan to go to war...and who voted FOR the war??? Your precious Senator Kerry...

People should not try to shove their opinions down other people's throats when they do not have the whole truth...take a law class or two...

Also for anyone who thinks I am a whiny priss of a girl who just wouldn't want ot go to war:
I would not be accepted into the armed forces due to circumstances beyond my control...Therefore, I am just arguing because you my friend need to reposition your head on your shoulders.

And genius...if they don't have a draft, how do they have a system set up where only one parent will be drafted??? Especially seeing as women are not being considered in this draft...it it even ends up occuring???????? Just a thought I thought I'd share...

This thread has me very arguementative in case you didn't notice...

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Originally posted by mila:
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good answer (sarcasm)

no!

I think they should too.

i dont think anyone should have to go to war unless they want to.