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Picture of Meagan87
Registered: May 07, 2003
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As you may have noticed, I've been ignoring YN for awhile for 2 reasons, 1) I was sick of the idiots on the site and 2) I have WAY too much other stuff I really ought to be doing (like my semester research paper due tomorrow or studying for the AP Calc test- Tues.). Anyway, enough about me, this just bugged me too much...

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Note: when Hydrok says that women are not Pysically, Mentally and Emotionally equal he talking a about basic natural diffrences naturally women are more emotional then men for example I know plenty of guys who get hurt and don't cry women brake a nail and cry (generalization but it's true!). Naturally men are more muscular a.k.a stronger then women now on the mentally I'm tied up because both sexes have done great things for mankind men just happen to have done more of them from fire on up. Just pointing all that out


Let's see, where should I start? Let's start with the part about emotional differences. I honestly believe that there ARE no emotional differences between men and women. It's just that from birth, we have been socialized to beleive that it it acceptable for women to cry and men to not. As for the whole "brake"ing a nail thing, that is more of a "I'm such a priss that the slightest flaw in my physical appearance will kill me" cry than a "Ow!" cry. (Also, there are few ladies who actually do this so PLEASE don't use embarassing generalizations like that).

Men are stronger because from the beginning they were expected to do the physical labor because women were involved in child labor... Now you can't tell me that women could begin to develop more strength in today's world where a woman can schedule the date she will have her child, have a cessarian section, go home the same day or one day later, feed it baby formula and hire a nanny.

As for the mental aspect, women have been proven to be smarter. Once it became more acceptable for women to be involved in intellectual jobs, they have excelled at it. Now, you look around and notice almost equality in the areas of medicine and law. Business is still very male dominated for various reasons that I would love to go in more detail about but won't at this time.

Now if you happen to have a problem with something I said, let me know, I'll try to get back to you...

Now back to my paper...


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Registered: August 14, 2004
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wow... I cant compete with that kind of temper tantrum... see women are better at something after all...

*For the sane in the community*

Would everyone please note that I never claimed one was better than the other, I never said men are superior to women. I said that they are different, which makes them good for different things, some men are built for a forward deployed environment, some are not, MOST women are not built (by the creator) to be blessed with the ability to cope with that sort of environment


Now if you think thats sexist and you wanna chop off a *** by all means go ahead... prove what a... woman you are... but please spare me the oppression speach.


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Registered: April 23, 2005
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whos been doing all the scientific stuff and fighting and hunting and all work in general except for exception when women did it due to culture or the fact the men were busy fighting the awnser is MEN!


Well women WERE NOT PERMITTED TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

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I know plenty of guys who get hurt and don't cry


And I know a **** load of guys who sob uncontrollably every time they see Moulin Rouge or Finding Neverland.

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men just happen to have done more of them


Yet again, WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED to do many things.

And we women FOUGHT for our rights. And men ****** up by not letting us have equal rights from the start because now we live longer.

Most sexist men are afraid of the power of women. Afraid that they'll rise up against them, cut their right breasts off and become Amazons.

And if you don't understand the right breast part it's because you're a sexist male who can't use ANY of the little bit of brain power he contains.

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okay QoH settle down yes women and men can do things the other half can't but whos been doing all the scientific stuff and fighting and hunting and all work in general except for exception when women did it due to culture or the fact the men were busy fighting the awnser is MEN! so settle down and let us do what we've been doing for millenia.... Beating Each Others Brains Out.

Note: when Hydrok says that women are not Pysically, Mentally and Emotionally equal he talking a about basic natural diffrences naturally women are more emotional then men for example I know plenty of guys who get hurt and don't cry women brake a nail and cry (generalization but it's true!). Naturally men are more muscular a.k.a stronger then women now on the mentally I'm tied up because both sexes have done great things for mankind men just happen to have done more of them from fire on up. Just pointing all that out


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Holy crap, I'm not sexist, I'm stating a simple fact that women cant do everything a man can... sorry but it's a fact of life, and one that is delt with in the military, men and women were not created equal, and they are certainly not on the whole, physically equal, or mentally or emotionally equal.



Fine. I'll believe you aren't sexist when you push a seven pound baby out you *** since you obviously lack the necessary 'equiptment' to deliver it any other way.

You're right in mentally not equal. Men use 13 percent of their brains women use 14 percent.

Physically, women are stronger seeing that as I said, they can give birth, shove a cotton thing in places they didn't even know they had AND we can remain standing after being kicked in the ******.

Men think they're so cool just because they can pee standing up.


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ohhh you caught me, Hydrok. I was just trying to distract you. [/sarcasm]


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Originally posted by yogore:
I reread the conversation just to make sure. Shall I quote for you?
"Ok well yall lucky because they dont want me on the advisory board.... butinstead they are makin me a moderator... fear me Smile"

I emailed them and they told me mods are going to be voted on. And that there will be an application process. You portrayed it that you had already been chosen.


And your funny because you missed the whole prerequisit convo that I had with Kat... but thats ok, dont fret... Christ man your distracting from the topic now... that was a nice ploy trying to distract from the argument by questioning my honesty... if thats what you got left to use for an argument than this thread is over.


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I reread the conversation just to make sure. Shall I quote for you?
"Ok well yall lucky because they dont want me on the advisory board.... butinstead they are makin me a moderator... fear me Smile"

I emailed them and they told me mods are going to be voted on. And that there will be an application process. You portrayed it that you had already been chosen.


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Originally posted by yogore:
But women can also do somethings men cannot.


Yeah... lactate, get pregnant, and PMS....


Now if there were any doubts, that was a sexist comment... just clarifying the difference between differentiating between fact and sexism.


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Originally posted by yogore:
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And when did I lie?

For example, you said they were making you a mod.

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I'm stating a simple fact that women cant do everything a man can...
But women can also do somethings men cannot.


I e-mailed them just like you did... I got a response. Nothing is stone, because as they said they havn't made any decisions about when or how, I just got a letter of intrest, not my fault that you half listen to other peoples conversations, then pretend you know what your talking about.


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And when did I lie?

For example, you said they were making you a mod.

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I'm stating a simple fact that women cant do everything a man can...
But women can also do somethings men cannot.


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Originally posted by QueenOfHell:
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What about the concept about men and women being inherently different and therefore cannot be treated equal is so hard to understand?



What about the concept about you being sexist and therefore your opinion is useless is so hard to understand?

Sexist moron...


Holy crap, I'm not sexist, I'm stating a simple fact that women cant do everything a man can... sorry but it's a fact of life, and one that is delt with in the military, men and women were not created equal, and they are certainly not on the whole, physically equal, or mentally or emotionally equal.


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I honestly dont know how to deal with pains like you.

No need to call me a pain. I'm just pointing out obvious flaws. You're the one that says they make you sign this stuff. They could ahve easily slipped it in there under a very vague term. Perhaps you think it's stress, but it might not be. Accept that you could be wrong. I've ehard from my sister's friend who is in the military that they put drugs in your food to alter your sex drive. Why should I believe you over him? I shouldn't. I know that you have lied before.

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What about the concept about men and women being inherently different and therefore cannot be treated equal is so hard to understand?
They are different but not when it comes to the military.


Ok there is no "fine print" everything on the damn contract is in 12pt font, I have relatives that are officers that went over my contract with me line by line, honest it's not there... do you want me to mail you a copy of my contract to prove it?

Again it's not done, it's a myth, people joke about that to ease a little tension during basic. I mean theres friggin rumors about there being cameras in the dorms, and thats against the law, and I know for a fact (because I've seen the screen) that it's a myth, we were told by countless medical professionals while we were there that it was a myth.


And when did I lie?


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I honestly dont know how to deal with pains like you.

No need to call me a pain. I'm just pointing out obvious flaws. You're the one that says they make you sign this stuff. They could ahve easily slipped it in there under a very vague term. Perhaps you think it's stress, but it might not be. Accept that you could be wrong. I've ehard from my sister's friend who is in the military that they put drugs in your food to alter your sex drive. Why should I believe you over him? I shouldn't. I know that you have lied before.

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What about the concept about men and women being inherently different and therefore cannot be treated equal is so hard to understand?
They are different but not when it comes to the military.


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What about the concept about men and women being inherently different and therefore cannot be treated equal is so hard to understand?



What about the concept about you being sexist and therefore your opinion is useless is so hard to understand?

Sexist moron...


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Are you accusing me of lying? they cant put crap like that in your food without you knowing, it's *gasp* illegal.

Perhaps it's in the "fine print"

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plenty of incompetant people make it through boot camp because they have too..
Then it's not just women who are incompetant in the military. If not all men are competant, not all women are incompetant.


I honestly dont know how to deal with pains like you... THRE IS NOTHING IN THE FOOD TO KEEP YOUR SEXUAL ACTIVITY DOWN... clear now? They dont do it... it's stress, honest to god, i dont know how to be any more clear. You all love a good myth that you can run with though dont you.


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Are you accusing me of lying? they cant put crap like that in your food without you knowing, it's *gasp* illegal.

Perhaps it's in the "fine print"

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plenty of incompetant people make it through boot camp because they have too..
Then it's not just women who are incompetant in the military. If not all men are competant, not all women are incompetant.


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And what happens when women are inferior in many military related scenarios?

You act as though they all would be. Sure there are incompetant women, but there are jst as many incompetant men. Don't gender stereotpye. If they weren't good enough, they wouldn't have made it through basic training, etc.


plenty of incompetant people make it through boot camp because they have too.. the fastest way out of BMT is to graduate, so people will do the bare minimum to get by, then graduate, then go back to being thier lazy *** self in tech school, then they waste about 100k of the governments money lounging around awaiting discharge.


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well first off hydrok, you are really getting on my nerves, you are not god so dont act like him, and second of all they do have a chemical formula that does alter you hormones which doesnt make you have such a high sex drive.(information coming from both of my brothers that are activly in the navy) in basic training (boot camp) there put this formula in some type of food (both brothers said the eggs) and it alters your hormones, making you focus more on basic training instead of your girlfriend waiting for you back home. so hydrok if you want to say i'm wrong, go right ahead, but for all the people that aren't narrow minded heres the truth


Are you accusing me of lying? they cant put crap like that in your food without you knowing, it's *gasp* illegal. But isn't it funny that stress is proven to prevent men from having a sex drive? and where did i claim to be god? And I'm glad you have an issue with me, because if everyone liked me, it would be a very boring world.


And now whats the truth?


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And what happens when women are inferior in many military related scenarios?

You act as though they all would be. Sure there are incompetant women, but there are jst as many incompetant men. Don't gender stereotpye. If they weren't good enough, they wouldn't have made it through basic training, etc.


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