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Originally posted by Hydrok:

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Originally posted by bluedemocrat:

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they give you drugs that temporarily alter your hormones to lower your sex drive.

Really, do they only give you the drug during your training? I disagree with that as well.

Thats BS, plain and simple, take it from someone who has gone through and is going through training. It's a myth, started because when under extreme stress (aka basic training/boot camp) men find it damn near impossible to get a hard on. But that's not from a drug thats because they are in the process of getting the crap scared out of them and they have no will to get a hard on.

well first off hydrok, you are really getting on my nerves, you are not god so dont act like him, and second of all they do have a chemical formula that does alter you hormones which doesnt make you have such a high sex drive.(information coming from both of my brothers that are activly in the navy) in basic training (boot camp) there put this formula in some type of food (both brothers said the eggs) and it alters your hormones, making you focus more on basic training instead of your girlfriend waiting for you back home. so hydrok if you want to say i'm wrong, go right ahead, but for all the people that aren't narrow minded heres the truth

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Originally posted by ChEeRxXxBaBi:
It's not hard to understand. I agree with you. I think that the women who fought so hard to be treated equally should understand that from that they need to take the good and the bad.

Women are different, and should not be treated the same as men, but they should not be treated as inferiors.

What if we dont want women to be put in forward deployed locations, because they are more trouble than they're worth?

And what happens when women are inferior in many military related scenarios?

It's not hard to understand. I agree with you. I think that the women who fought so hard to be treated equally should understand that from that they need to take the good and the bad.

Women are different, and should not be treated the same as men, but they should not be treated as inferiors.

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Originally posted by ChEeRxXxBaBi:
Women fought so hard to be treated as equally as men. This should include the good and the bad.

But, since it is women who bear children and most likely raise the child, it would be a lot more difficult to draft women.

What about the concept about men and women being inherently different and therefore cannot be treated equal is so hard to understand?

Women fought so hard to be treated as equally as men. This should include the good and the bad.

But, since it is women who bear children and most likely raise the child, it would be a lot more difficult to draft women.

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Originally posted by yogore:
But why make people stay longer than what they volunteered for when there are perfectly willing people being denied to right to serve?

Because thats a myth in every branch except the AF.

I'll break it down,
AF: 200% recruiting, also going through drawdown
ARMY: hitting about 80% of goal
ARMY GUARD: hitting about 60% of goal
NAVY: Holding steady
Marines: Holding steady

Thing is that people want to go into the branches of the military that are full up, no one really wants to go ARMY guard because of how often they get deployed and especially for how long they do.

But why make people stay longer than what they volunteered for when there are perfectly willing people being denied to right to serve?

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
"No one has been forced to stay in the military over thier contracted time, that is an absolute lie. People are allowed to get recalled from the ready reserves for up to 4 years after they end thier active duty contract, and this crap is so boring to keep trying to explain to people it's hardly worth my time."

20/20

what about 20/20?

"No one has been forced to stay in the military over thier contracted time, that is an absolute lie. People are allowed to get recalled from the ready reserves for up to 4 years after they end thier active duty contract, and this crap is so boring to keep trying to explain to people it's hardly worth my time."

20/20

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Originally posted by yogore:

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No one has been forced to stay in the military over thier contracted time, that is an absolute lie

But they are calling numerous people back or not letting them go home because they need people to fight. The point was that if they need to make these people serve more time, why are they turning down people who want to serve for their country?

OK first of all that piece of paper we all sign before we go into the military has about 20 little pieces of fine print (thats done in 12 pt font mind you) actually i'll read you mine:

"I hearby agree to 6 years active duty service in the USAF. I understand that I may be recalled for a period of up to 8 years beyond my enlistment period."

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No one has been forced to stay in the military over thier contracted time, that is an absolute lie

But they are calling numerous people back or not letting them go home because they need people to fight. The point was that if they need to make these people serve more time, why are they turning down people who want to serve for their country?

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Originally posted by yogore:

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Why are we talking about homosexuals?

It came up because we were talking about how people have been forced to stay in the military over their contracted time.

No one has been forced to stay in the military over thier contracted time, that is an absolute lie. People are allowed to get recalled from the ready reserves for up to 4 years after they end thier active duty contract, and this crap is so boring to keep trying to explain to people it's hardly worth my time.

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Why are we talking about homosexuals?

It came up because we were talking about how people have been forced to stay in the military over their contracted time.

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Originally posted by bluedemocrat:

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they give you drugs that temporarily alter your hormones to lower your sex drive.

Really, do they only give you the drug during your training? I disagree with that as well.

Thats BS, plain and simple, take it from someone who has gone through and is going through training. It's a myth, started because when under extreme stress (aka basic training/boot camp) men find it damn near impossible to get a hard on. But that's not from a drug thats because they are in the process of getting the crap scared out of them and they have no will to get a hard on.

Why are we talking about homosexuals?

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they give you drugs that temporarily alter your hormones to lower your sex drive.

Really, do they only give you the drug during your training? I disagree with that as well.

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I don't know why homosexuals aren't allowed. That's just blatant sexual discrimination.

I've been told it's because they think gay people might rape the other soldiers. Atleast, that's how many people percieve the basis of that rule. i'm not sure if that was the actual reason. I actually would like to know what the basis was when that law was made.

I don't really get that though because I heard when in the military, they give you drugs that temporarily alter your hormones to lower your sex drive.

I don't know why homosexuals aren't allowed. That's just blatant sexual discrimination.

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It was about how many men and women have been forced to work OVER their contracted time and how many people (mostly homosexuals) want to get back in to take their place, but cannot because of "the rules". There was some expert saying it took away from cohesion or something like that.

Hydrok-
If a male was tortured and sexually abused in front of you, wouldn't you be just as angry as if it was a female?

Quote- Men and women dont have the same body parts which makes them more vulnerable to certain forms of torture, interrogation, and it also causes the men a lot of problems.

Different body parts, different forms of torture, but that doesn't matter. Both can be raped, both can have their genitals electified, ect.

Men and women both have emotions. Men tend to keep them locked up, women tend to express them. Women come across as weak, men seem strong until they snap. The Iraq war has made it evident that too much aggression can be very harmful.

Both sexes can deal with stress if properly trained. If women make it through basic through sex, the defect is with the military, not the trainee. More self-control should be exercised, thus showing another area where men and women both have vulnerabilities. Women may use sex to get what they want, but the men they use are weak to temptation.