hey guys.

usmc- are u truly a military person?
i mean c'mon women can do the job just as well as the guys can. yes there HAVE BEEN things that have happened. but that is very rare (and remeber the media/newpapers like the report all of the bad things about the military) i have been to bases where the women are treated equal. they get along just fine, and the get the job done right. where fighting a war here people, does it really matter the gender??

Personally, men shouldn't be the only soldiers. Women have just as much right to fight for their country, too. But, saying and doing something is an entirely different matter. I'll make myself a hypocrite if I persistently advocate gender equality in soldier status.

hey well anyways i just heard some news from u people that pissed me off. that if a woman were
captured by our enemy horrible things would happen. well if a guy were captured too horrible things happen too. people shouldtn be so sexist about this. if a country believes in fighting for a good cause then everyone should be able and willing to fight for it. by putting limitations on who to fight you could be putting limitations on the outcome and our victory. woman have succeeded in every aspect of life so why cant us woman succeed in something like this.

hey usmc, havent you heard about men being raped in the military as well? theres alot man-man rape going on in alot of small craft, so does that mean that men shouldnt be allowed either. and not all people get the same training. its just a simple fact, no 2 branches of service have the same guidelines for training. they may hold the same principles and morals, but thats about it.

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Originally posted by usmc:
i got a question should woman joing the military: havent you heard that they are getting raped in the military. they dont get the same training as men so they are not as trained as the men. its a school project and i have to be against woman joing the military

PLease tell me your mentally retarded for real, because to be honest an 8 year old just laughed at your grammer, and I'm not making that up.

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Originally posted by BigSlickAK:
ok. what article exactly explains this? ive read the UCMJ and i know about the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" article but that could be said about alot of weapons the military has. daisy cutters, fire bombs, M61A1 cannons. all of those to me seem like a cruel way to die so why should a nuke be any different?

my bad, I confused my lesson on the UCMJ with the LOAC it's against LOAC to cause more distruction than absolutly necissary, in other words, dont use a nuke when a good old fasioned carpet bombing will get the job done. Thing is that the military and the scientists that developed the nuke knew that it would have some nasty side effects that would last generations.

ok. what article exactly explains this? ive read the UCMJ and i know about the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" article but that could be said about alot of weapons the military has. daisy cutters, fire bombs, M61A1 cannons. all of those to me seem like a cruel way to die so why should a nuke be any different?

i got a question should woman joing the military: havent you heard that they are getting raped in the military. they dont get the same training as men so they are not as trained as the men. its a school project and i have to be against woman joing the military

Well well well, he's back...

*Not that it's a bad thing.

Welcome back Hydrok! How's it going?

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Originally posted by BigSlickAK:
hey hydrok, where in the UCMJ does it state that nuclear weapons are against it?

IT's not the weapon itself, it's how it's used, and the way they were used in nagasaki and hiroshima was against the UCMJ

hey hydrok, where in the UCMJ does it state that nuclear weapons are against it?

Furthermore meagan, nuclear weaponry makes absolutly a **** bit of difference, because we WONT use it, it would be like the apoclypse, we use em, then russia uses them, then china, then korea, then Iran, etc... and the entire world would literally be destroyed, people dont understand that nuclear weapons are pointless to even have unless your the only one that has them, nagasaki and Hiroshima only happened because we knew no one could retaliate.

Ever wonder why we didn't just drop a bomb on N. Korea in the korean war? or drop a bomb on Nam? because China or Russia would have sent a pretty little nuke right back at us, and we cant live with that kind of destruction on our side.

Lets not even get into the fact that the use ofnuclear weapons is a gross and disgusting violation of the UCMJ (Uniform Code Of Military Justice)

And I stand by the nasty **** that happens to females out in the field, I've seen it first hand at FTX (Forward Deployed Training Environment) where women have nasty things happen to them from eating nothing but MRE's and inhaling smoke and tear gas.

Also on top of that, while I support females that enter the service, I dont want them on the front lines with me, because i have enough to worry about taking care of my rear end, I cant watch the other 2 females in my DFP (defensive Fighting Position) and worry about my own *** at the same time.


End of discussion.

Meagan , you really have no clue how the military works, and it's sad watching you argue that females coulden't make it etc... First of all, some of the most hardcore chicks I have ever seen in my life were in my sister flight in basic, and to be honest, each and every one of them could make a full grown man cry in less than 5 seconds flat. as far as weight requiremens go, they dont care if your over or under weight, they just deprive you of food, or make you eat, depending on the situation. Then on top of that you gotta realize that the Army Guard is the only branch of the service that would be drafting, because everyone else is at or above recruiting goals. now also, the hight weight requirements for the army guard are a joke.

And the other funny thing is that legitimate health issue is the only thing that gets you out of the service, if your too weak, they will recycle your sorry *** till your strong.

personally speaking, i went through basic training with half of my division being females and we didnt get nearly as punished as the all male divisions did. if women are going to join the military, there should be specific and i mean specific jobs that they should be able to do. in my line of work, it is "mandatory" (although recruiters now seem to over look it) that you be able to dead lift 80lbs over your head, yet there are plenty female AO's that cant lift a 40 lb toolbox 5 feet onto a truck. psychologically women cant handle the front lines, they let too many emotions run loose. and men would have a much harder time seeing a women get blown to bits then he would a man. im not saying women just need to stay home bare foot and pregnant, but they need to seriously screen these females before they stick them in physically demanding jobs. there are plenty of jobs out there that a woman can handle better then most men that are just as/if not more important than front line grunt work

So you're saying in a time of war...men and women won't be able to concentrate on killing the enemy because their worried about having sex with each other??

I don't think women would get in the way of men. In case you don't know, women have fought in plenty of wars along side of men and we haven't lost a war yet. Their fighting for their lives. I think if women can endure childbirth, they can handle as much, if not more physical pain than men. Go trying tell a marine she can't cut it because she is weaker, slower, can't endure the hardship and is a distraction. I dare you!!

moo4u, you DO have a point. It's stupid how humans let themselves be slaves to their sex drives instead of focusing on what needs to be done.

Women do not register for the draft and should never be required to.
Women are physically different than men, women would just get in the way of our men, and if captured the things our enemies would do to our women is horrendous.

First of all, it is a proven fact that women can not endure the same physical hardship a man can and with test runs men and women have already gotten distracted just at basic training camps. The U.S. Army has tried twice combing men and women into basic training only to abandon it each time. At Ft. Leonard Wood in October of 1982 shortly after the last combined unit had started. Several drill sergeants spoke their on the matter. They weren’t very happy about having all mixed units. They told stories of catching males and females in the dumpsters, bushes, sneaking off, etc to engage in sex. They said they felt more like baby sitters than trainers. Imagine this kind of activity in a combat zone. The sergeants also spoke of how they couldn't push the troops too hard or there would be an unacceptable dropout rate among the females.

Yes, I think women should also be allowed to be US soldiers, because, given the right training, women are just as capable as men are. But, just like men, they should be damn sure they WANT to do it BEFORE they do it so they'll do it when they get drafted and not back out.

HELL NO

Well the reason that in the marines they keep it segregated is to keep every one focused on their jobs and there are women combat marines in Infantry Armor and Artillery postions but belive me women will never be allowed in Specops GI Jane was just a movie and I've listed the military's reason for this and its sound but other wise if inn the future my XO runs up and says the platoon on our flank is women I'll say all right and get back to my job in the military in the marines really there are not men and women balcks and whites there are just marines