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Registered: April 21, 2008
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I find it very frightening to know that the US strongly supports a government that will kill over 140 people just to flex its muscle.

For all the US citizens reading this, do u like where your tax money is being invested?

If you havent guessed yet i am talking about the ruthless air strikes over gaza today (Dec 27) at around 12:30pm.

Here's the full story. There has been a "truce" for the last few months between Israel and Gaza. It wasnt really a truce, conflict did take place between the two. The most important event that took place and lead to these airstrikes was Israel closing the borders to Gaza and preventing UN food and medicine supplies from entering. The UN which already calls the situation in Gaza a "humanitarian catastrophie" said that 4/5 people in Gaza are dependent on aid. Israel closed the border in return to missles launched by terrorists within Gaza, who launched the missles because of Israel's ground forces carrying out earlier operations in the area during the "truce". Hope your not confused. In response to the closing of the border which took place at least a month ago and is still closed to this day, more missles were launched into Israel.

Olmert, speaking on an arab newstation, told the people in Gaza to stop the actions of these terrorists or Israel will strike back. Since the people of Gaza could not stop the terrorists from firing missles into Israel, the airstrike took place, killing over 140, and wounding over 200 people.

This is pathetic. How does the Israel government expect the people of Gaza, who they have deprived of food, water, and medicine to stop terrorists? And now after destroying security forces in Gaza, including an entire police station, and killing a Police Chief, among several other men of uniform, how does Israel expect any security to be carried out against those sending missles into Israel?

Unfortunately, it would be foolish to not expect a return attack on Israel soon. Extremists have already vowed revenge.

In conclusion, this attack was nothing short of a terrorist attack. Over a hundred innocent people who have no involvement with the missle being launched into Israel or any terrorist actions have died. Among these are children and women.

For those who see this attack on Gaza justified. Take all those who were killed in the attacks on Israel in the past year (who were innocent victims of poor politics), the sum of these figures wont even come close to the number of those killed in this dark half hour. Remember those attacked in Israel were attacked by condemned terrorist extremists, were are those killed in Gaza were killed by a legal and strongly supported "democratic" government.

Once again I ask, where is the international community? How can they sit back and watch this happen?

Any opinions?
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A U.N. investigation into the attacks of dec/jan has come out. The report has found both hamas militants and Israeli forces guility of war crimes. However the overwhelming majority of the report focuses on Israel's actions.

The report says Israel has "committed actions amounting to war crimes, possibley crimes against humanity." The report continues and states that the IDF "failed to take feasible precautions required by international law to avoid or minimize loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects."

Regarding the White phosphorus i posted about earlier, the U.N report confirms that Israel did in fact fire white phosphorus in civilian areas.

Also the report finds that the IDF "intentionally fired high-explosive artillery shells upon hospitals, and failed to provide effectvie warnings to civilians or U.N workers before attacks."

The report concludes by confirming the fact that Israeli forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields and "deliberately attacked Palestinian food supplies in Gaza."

Regarding the death toll, an Israeli human rights organziation B'tselem (house of peace, i believe, hebrew can be similar to arabic at times) states that among the 1387 killed 773 "did not take part in the hostilities". Of those 773, 320 were minors.

To add to this, an article "Our Sons are being stripped of their Organs" by a Swedish freelance journalist Donald Bostrom strongly accuses the IDF of kidnapping bodies of dead Palestinians (sometimes live ones) and stealing organs. The journalist states he has witness Palestinian bodies being taken by IDF and returned afterwards with scars in their abdomen. Also the journalist has spoken to many Palestinian families who claim the same has been done to their relatives. The journalist asks for a full investigation into this matter and says there are Palestinian families willing to exhume the bodies of their lost ones in order to aid the investigation.

The Israeli government has slammed Bostrom with criticism and with held his credentials, preventing him from reporting from Gaza. Also the Israeli government has asked the Swedish gov. to take action towards the journalist. The Swedish gov. replied that it believes in the Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of the Press and will do nothing to hinder it.

Sourcing:

U.N. report: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...incursion/index.html

B'tselem report: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...civilians/index.html

Swedish Article: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...en.organ.harvesting/
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I've wrote before in older posts that the best way to fight Terrorism is with education.

In Gaza, The American International School of Gaza (AISG) was completely destroyed during the attack. This school is from a chain of American International Schools in the Middle East. I studied at American International School of Riyadh (AISR), another branch of this chain. This chain offers some of the best education. Now that it has been completely destroyed there are hundreds of students who cannot recieve this education.

A librarian at the school said that the school was a way out of here. She said this school was making a difference and now its all gone. Senior students planning on going to universities no longer can now.

When asked, Israeli officails say that the school was bombed because it was being used to launch rockets. The school Principal, an American citizen, asked for anybody to show one shred of evidence that one rocket has been lauched from the school grounds.

This school was helping students improve their lives. With a proper education they can get a proper career and provide for themselves and their families. This school was fighting terrorism not the missles. The destruction of this school has deprived generations from an education.

"I have no idea what will happen to us. Where will the students study? Now there is nothing."
-Rawan Al-Masri, a first grade teacher
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So Israel has finally withdrawn. The Palestinian death toll is 1300, where as the Israeli civilian death toll is 3. 10 Israeli soldiers have died but then again they died because their government sent them in. But what the heck, lets add them to the Israeli death toll making it 13. Just as i've done earlier, lets compare. Turns out the life of one Israeli is worth 100 Palestinians again.

So now that its over, does anybody have any opinons? Or are we gonna let this go, pretend it never happend, and ignore it?

Is Israel's actions justified? Should Obama support Israel unconditionally?

Have any of my posts been revealing to you? Maybe you might not have heard some of these stories in the West. Do you find this whole "event" contradictory to your views or beliefs of Israel?
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More news. The shellings and attacks on Gaza were most intense today since the beginning of the attack on Gaza which has now lasted 3 weeks. The death toll has surpassed 1000 in Palestine. The death toll in Israel hasnt reached 5 yet.

A UN main relief compound giving shelter to some 700 Palestinians was shelled. The director of UNRWA John Ging said that he alerted the Israeli forces "hour by hour through the night of the vulnerablities [in the compound] as shells came closer and closer and shrapnel was coming into the compound." Their efforts were useless. They were shelled.

On top of this, the U.S.-based group Human Rights Watch has confirmed that Israel is using white phosphorus shells in Gaza. Many docters have also supported this after examining the wounds of many patients and victims. White Phosphorus is only legal to use as a flare. Meaning it be shot high enough in the sky so that it does not reach the ground and that it be used in the night, obviously. Israeli forces are using white phosphorus in Gaza, in the day time, in populated areas, as a offensive weapon. This is ILLEGAL under international laws. White phosphorus burns at an extremely high temperature. If it comes into contact with a persons skin it will keep burning until it is depleted. In many cases it has burned deep into the bone. This dirty weapon is being used on civilians and it has harmed children and women. Let me just make this clear, a U.S organization has confirmed that Israel is using ILLEGAL WEAPONS.

Its on the tip of my tongue but i dont wanna say it. I'll make this a game and maybe then somebody will have something to post on this thread. Fill in the blank:

Israel's attack on Gaza resembles a ......... attack.
Hint: It starts with a 'T'.

How can the world sit silent to this. Its a shame.

Should the U.S. really support and be an ally to Israel? If there are any Americans reading this, do you believe Barack Obama should keep with tradition and support Israel or decrease the support.

The reason i keep mentioning the U.S is because it is a major support beam for Israel. If the U.S would just only condemn Israel attacks or say Israels attacks were "bad" or "wrong" it would without a doubt make peace in the Middle East not only a lot easier but actually possible. Not just this but the Palestinians and Arabs would for once feel that their side of the story has been seen and understood. And Israel would at least know that it has to keep in line.

heres the page for the U.N compound and the white phosphorus story:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/15/gaza.aid.plea/index.html
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oops forgot to put the sourcing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/zeitoun.gaza.israel/index.html

...and the death toll is over 820 now
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That is true about the UN being allowed only where it is welcome. However, the UN convoy entered Gaza during the 3-hour truce issued by Israel specifically for humanitarian aid and UN relief efforts to reach those is need. In other words, Israel gave them permission to enter.

Still, whether the convoy is welcome or not, its just wrong to blow up a truck full of food supplies, especially when there is a big "UN" painted on it.

I dont know if you heard about this but the Interrnational Committee of the Red Cross gave a press release condeming Israels actions. It said that after Israel finally gave them permission to send ambulances and help to Gaza they found several severly injured civilians that have been left unattended which is against international humanitarian law. In one case the ICRC found 4 small children in a house next to their dead mothers. The children were so weak they couldnt stand up. On top of that, the Israeli army built soil walls that made it impossible for ambulances to reach neighborhoods, leaving them no choice but to use donkey carts to transport the children and the wounded.

Another story that im not sure if you heard about is the shelling of a shelter. "Credible eyewitness accounts", says head of the U.N. Office for the Coordinatin of Humanitarian Affairs, report that about 100 civilians were ordered by Israeli forces to evacuate to a specific house on Sunday. The house was shelled on Monday. Around 30 were killed, including children, and many more were wounded. An investigation will look into this soon.
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Just as a side note, the UN is only allowed where it is welcome. By its nature, it can only intervene where the government allows it, otherwise, it can be taken as a violation of sovereignty.


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UN Secretary General: Israel fired on U.N. aid convoy in Gaza, killing 2 UN workers, during the three-hour humanitarian truce.

As a result the UN Relief and Works Agency has suspended its activities in Gaza.

Someone explain to me how blasting a UN convoy will stop Hamas and defend Israeli citizens.



It doesn't. But Israel has free-reign and can do whatever it wants.

Also, it's a massacre by now. 760 people...almost a third of 9/11.
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UN Secretary General: Israel fired on U.N. aid convoy in Gaza, killing 2 UN workers, during the three-hour humanitarian truce.

As a result the UN Relief and Works Agency has suspended its activities in Gaza.

Someone explain to me how blasting a UN convoy will stop Hamas and defend Israeli citizens.

This is aside the ambulance shelled by another tank killing a paramedic.

By the way the death toll passed 760 in Gaza. How high does it have to go before we can call this a massacre or genocide? A 1000? At this rate i figure we'd be there in a few days.



-you can check this story on CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/08/israel.gaza/index.html
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The CNN i watch is the international edition. During their coverage of Gaza they played a live interview taking place on their sister branch CNN-US, and there was an interview with the Mayor of New York, Mayor Bloomberg who was in Israel at the time. I couldnt believe the bullshit he was feeding the people.

Keep in mind this guy is the MAYOR of New York which is suppose to be one of the most cosmoplitan areas in the world. How can it be that the Mayor of such an area would be so baised. I dont mean only baised but intentionally baised. He looked like a proffesional lobbiest.

He used the silliest analogies to support Israels actions. He blamed the whole deal from the beginning to the end on Gaza (on hamas, terrorists, and the people collectively). He said Israel did nothing wrong (typical). Then he went on and kept talking about it being a duty to defend others from terrorism, bla bla bla. I loved this line he said, it went something like we cant allow, or we must stop, the death of hundreds of innocent lives. Its sort of funny that since the "cease-fire" was broken, not more than 4 Israel citizens have died, but over 500 Palestinians ave died. So where exactly is it that 100s of innocents are dieing.

And then to top it all off, the cherry on top if you will, he spoke out like a true, pure, lobbiest. As if he worked for a pro-Israel lobby instead of the state of New York, and said: "I think as a New Yorker, we've been attacked twice by al-Qaida itself, we've seen enormous devastation and courage and after that you sort of feel you have a bond, if you will, for those who live in a dangerous world and subject to someone trying to kill them."

Why did he use 9/11? He knows this is a very sensitive issue even after 8 years but still he used it to spur hate and anger in viewers against Gaza by making those in Gaza look just like the 9/11 bombers.

Second he makes Hamas sound like Al Qaeda which, any lobbiest knows, will make Israel's actions look justified. Hamas and Al Qaeda are not even close no matter how you try to compare them.

Strenght: Al Qaeda is 10 times as strong if not 100 times as strong. Its like Arnold Schwarchinager and Pinnocio.

Finiance: Haha, its a joke to think who has more finance when you know the gap between two levels finance.

Hamas was established to protect the people of Gaza, although it has failed at it. Al Qaedas goal is to spread fear and terror. Their goal is to acheive revolutions and reforms from through merciless killings and terrorism. Also Al Qaeda has spread accross the world and keep in mind, the US is only one victim of Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda has harmed several Arab and other nations as well. Hamas can barely send missles a mile or two in Israel.

If he really ment what he was saying, Bloomberg would also feel a bond with the Palestinians who are living in fear of someone trying to kill them. We all know the Palestininians are in the worse situations. Not the Israelis.

Well thats pretty much it for this "mayor". He said a lot of more bullshit but whats the bother. He's just another puppet.

The only reason i posted this is because i feared people would believe his prejudice illogical rant.
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Thats definetely a lot to think about. I'll be sure to look into all that so I can make sure I have all the facts before coming to a decision.

Thanks Big Grin


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I'm open to have my view changed though.


That's great thing, and a rare thing, to here. Thank you for being open.

Your first point is that of supporting your allies because they support you.

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Us as a nation have done things that would be considered questionable to other countries, yet our allies still stand behind us.

Its the freaking point of being an ally.


It is very well known that the US greatly benefits Israel. But does Israel benefit the US?

Financially: The US gives Israel an average of $30 billion in direct foreign assitance a year. This makes up 1/6 of the US's direct foreign assistance. If you do the math, that is more than $500 per year for each Israeli citizen. Since the beginning of the economic crisis until now, has Israel offered any financial aid or support to the US?

Militarily: Israel has a very strong military without a doubt. But has this military proved useful to the US at anytime? During the Gulf War the US could not use Israel's support because the US would loose all its allainces with the Arab Nations. The same dilema occurs in the Iraqi War. It would be ridiculous for the US to even consider having Israel send troops into Iraq to fight on its side. Because the situation in the Middle East is so delicate, Israel cannot aid the US militarily. As for the US aiding Israel militarily, in some form or another, it does. One form is sending Israel military supplies. Allowing it more access to US military information than other countries. Another way the US indirectly aids Israel, the US has made a deal with the Lebanese army promising it weapons, tanks, etc., however all the US has send is matresses, blankets, bullet proof vests, all very nice but the Lebanese army cant really defend itself with blankets now can it?

Dont forget how many UN resolutions the US has vetoed for Israel.

The "War" on Terrorism: If you were to name me the terrorist groups that offer the US the greatest threat, who would you name? Al Qaeda, Hizbullah, Hammas, Iraq before the War?

Al Qaeda is a threat to US and the whole world. However Israel is not only unhelpful to the US in this "war", it is harmful to the US. Bin Ladin states his attack on 9/11 was for Israel's occupation of Palestien. This does not justify his monstrous attacks. If you were to ask a Palestinian today, he/she would tell you that they do not support Bin Ladin nor his attacks, in fact most are disgraced that this attack was done in their name. Nor is this a fault of Israel or its people. Nobody can blame Israel for the actions of a mad man. My point is, however, when it comes to extremists Israel is not a nation you want to assocaite yourself with, or at least send $30 billion a year.

Hizbullah is not a threat to the US nor does it have any intentions to attack it. Its only threatens Israel. However do to lobbyism, most have the impression that Hizbullah puts US citizens at risk. In fact, if we go back to the Israel/Hizbullah Summer war of 2006, it was Israel that bombed Lebanon from top to bottom putting countless of US citizens, most of them toursits, at risk, having them be evacauted and traumatized, some spending days in camps in Turkey or Cypruss until they could travel to the US. Not the ideal behavior of the ideal ally.

Hammas offers no threat to the US, however do to lobbyism, same thing as Hizbullah. Israel does not need support against Hammas. Israel here is not the victim. Nor is hammas. They are both just as guilty. If anybody is the victim, its the Palestinian people, and the Israeli people.

Iraq before the war, although it was not a terrorist organization, was believed to offer a threat to the US. Actually, it did not. At least not to a point were one would wage a war. However, it did offer a threat to Israel. Once again, due to lobbyism, espeicially AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee), which fed off the fear following 9/11, the American people, and the US government, were more than convinced that Iraq must be invaded. You can draw the conclusions.

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Israel stated what would happened if they were bombed

True but what can the people of Gaza who have been deprived of food and medical supplies do anything that could stop the missles from entering Israel? I understand that Israel has the right to stop the missles, but bombing Gaza for a consecutive week will not stop the missles. Nor will killing over 400 people 90% of whom have nothing to do with the missles. Many of which are children, women, and elderly folk.

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I'm sorry that you have to live with that


No, i have not lived with that. I havent been to Palestine. I cannot say i understand what they are going through because i cant. I do live in the middle east and fortunately, i have this luck of being at the right place at the right time, dodging a bit here and there, still i have not come close to the troubles and pains that the Palestinians have experienced, and are experiencing.

Just to set the record clear. I have posted a lot of anti-Israel government posts. Understand that i do not support the Israel government. As for the Israeli people i have nothing against. They as us, have suffered a lot due to this conflict. The reason i post so much against the Israeli government is just to break this mainstream pro-Israel idea that most of the American people have about Israel and its neighboors. As you yourself said, you dont have the full story, im just giving you our side which usually doesnt reach your media. Its a good day when somebody like you wants to here the full story.

By the way, im also open to other opinions.

Its a long post, i know, but then again its a big issue.
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Im glad to hear that Canvas. What group are you part of? This it the most i can do at the present time. Be Gaza's voice in places it has trouble reaching. Still its not enough.

Obama cant do anything yet, we'll have to wait until he's in office to see what he will do. I have high hopes for him, but then again i think most of us do.

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seeing as how Israel is one of our allies, and we should be supporting them.


Why "should" you support Israel? Do you really believe you should support a nation the acts in such away?

Living on the other side of the issue I have access to media which might not reach the US, usually a lot of important media never reaches the US. I'm not sure if you heard about the boat Dignity? Cnn gave it no more than 5 minutes even though one of their reporters was on the boat.

Just yesterday, a gaza relief boat called Dignity travelled to Gaza to deliver medicine supplies, relief supplies and aid. It was transporting volunteers, human right activists, and journalists. The 16 passengers came from Britain, Germany, Cyprus, Lebanon, and other countries, as well as the former U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney. Also on board was CNN correspondent Ken Penhual. Before they could reach Gaza, in international waters, they were confronted by Israeli naval vessels. According to Penhual, no warning was given. Dignity was rammed three times by the Israeli naval vessels, leaving it in very poor shaped, and a collapsed roof. The vessels refused to assit the crew of Dignity. With water filling the deck and low fuel, Dignity was in a very bad situation. The Lebanese President Michel Sleiman informed the Dignity that once it reached Lebanese waters, the Lebanese naval service will escort and protect it. Fortunately, the Dignity managed to make it to Lebanese shores safely, without any casualties.

Is this a kind of "democratic" government that the US should be calling an ally?

As an ally, should Israel have jeoperdized the safety of a US citizen and former representative?

Back to Gaza, however, what more can i say? I think this is the simplist way to describe the situation. Israel wants to protect its citizens. It says the state of constant fear in which its southern citizens live in must be ended. To end this fear and protect its citizens, the Israeli government has killed over 380 Palestinians, including many, many children. Like i said, this doesnt usually reach the western media, especailly due to media laws which prohibit the displays of dead people, or severly injured, but there are stations however that do show such footage. I have seen it and there are countless children dead or covered in blood from their face to their toes. Usually i dont like to play the goary card, but in this case i have to, to get the message accross. Other than that i have seen other 100s of mothers in Gaza being interviewed who can barely hold up the pictures of their lost children.

Personally i would never place my safety over the lives of nearly 400 people.


This story on the boat Dignity can be found on CNN, although a little concised. You can see pictures of whats left of the boat.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html



Us as a nation have done things that would be considered questionable to other countries, yet our allies still stand behind us.

Its the freaking point of being an ally.

While whats going on over that is quite horrible, and I'm sorry that you have to live with that(if thats what you implied.) but Israel stated what would happened if they were bombed. They were bombed. Haamas is whos bombing Israel, who was elected by the Palestianians. They have stated their sole purpose is to get rid of Isreal.

Is that something you really want to let happen?


And if as Americans, which I am, we want to go with this logic (not saying I do, but.), that we need to help eliminate terrisom, which Haamas is, we should be helping Israel, who is falling victim to quite a lot of bombings or rocket launches.

I might not know the whole story, since my cable news media is biased, but, I call it like I see it.
And until I hear/see more espically with that boat story, I'll stand behind to what I believe.

I'm open to have my view changed though.


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Lets put things in perspective, 4 Israelis have died since the beginning of the air strikes, were as over 400 Palestinians have died. So the lives of 4 Israelis equal to 400 Palestinians:

4:400
1:100

The life of one Israeli is worth 100 Palestinians.

Another update. Yesterday Israel bombed a Palestinian school. Can somebody explain to me how bombing a school will help defeat terrorism?

Let me make this clear one more time. The people being killed and bombed in Palestine have nothing to do with the missles being launched into Israel. In fact after 5 days of attacks on Gaza, Israeli air forces have killed only ONE Hamas figure. Just one. So should we call the other 400 collateral?
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Im glad to hear that Canvas. What group are you part of? This it the most i can do at the present time. Be Gaza's voice in places it has trouble reaching. Still its not enough.

Obama cant do anything yet, we'll have to wait until he's in office to see what he will do. I have high hopes for him, but then again i think most of us do.

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seeing as how Israel is one of our allies, and we should be supporting them.


Why "should" you support Israel? Do you really believe you should support a nation the acts in such away?

Living on the other side of the issue I have access to media which might not reach the US, usually a lot of important media never reaches the US. I'm not sure if you heard about the boat Dignity? Cnn gave it no more than 5 minutes even though one of their reporters was on the boat.

Just yesterday, a gaza relief boat called Dignity travelled to Gaza to deliver medicine supplies, relief supplies and aid. It was transporting volunteers, human right activists, and journalists. The 16 passengers came from Britain, Germany, Cyprus, Lebanon, and other countries, as well as the former U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney. Also on board was CNN correspondent Ken Penhual. Before they could reach Gaza, in international waters, they were confronted by Israeli naval vessels. According to Penhual, no warning was given. Dignity was rammed three times by the Israeli naval vessels, leaving it in very poor shaped, and a collapsed roof. The vessels refused to assit the crew of Dignity. With water filling the deck and low fuel, Dignity was in a very bad situation. The Lebanese President Michel Sleiman informed the Dignity that once it reached Lebanese waters, the Lebanese naval service will escort and protect it. Fortunately, the Dignity managed to make it to Lebanese shores safely, without any casualties.

Is this a kind of "democratic" government that the US should be calling an ally?

As an ally, should Israel have jeoperdized the safety of a US citizen and former representative?

Back to Gaza, however, what more can i say? I think this is the simplist way to describe the situation. Israel wants to protect its citizens. It says the state of constant fear in which its southern citizens live in must be ended. To end this fear and protect its citizens, the Israeli government has killed over 380 Palestinians, including many, many children. Like i said, this doesnt usually reach the western media, especailly due to media laws which prohibit the displays of dead people, or severly injured, but there are stations however that do show such footage. I have seen it and there are countless children dead or covered in blood from their face to their toes. Usually i dont like to play the goary card, but in this case i have to, to get the message accross. Other than that i have seen other 100s of mothers in Gaza being interviewed who can barely hold up the pictures of their lost children.

Personally i would never place my safety over the lives of nearly 400 people.


This story on the boat Dignity can be found on CNN, although a little concised. You can see pictures of whats left of the boat.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/index.html
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I think its completely horrible how we are supporting this, by not doing anything.

Obama said even when the winds turned against the Muslims, he would still support them.
Lets see him do that now, without causing a major rift in the world, seeing as how Israel is one of our allies, and we should be supporting them.


Obama has no real say yet.

You can always demonstrate. That's what I'm doing, apart from being part of a group that's putting pressure on Israel.
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I think its completely horrible how we are supporting this, by not doing anything.

Obama said even when the winds turned against the Muslims, he would still support them.
Lets see him do that now, without causing a major rift in the world, seeing as how Israel is one of our allies, and we should be supporting them.


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Its been three days and the strikes are still taking place.

The UN has proved how powerless and cowardly it can be when it comes to the Gaza and Israel situation. After an emergency securtiy council conference, all it could say was "The violence in Gaza must stop." The UN didnt mention Israel or ask it to stop. Ofcourse i cant imagine the UN security council able to come to a conclusion condemning Israel with the US as a superpower. Still they could have at least mentioned the air strikes. Instead they just said "violence" which could mean anything from bombings to an after school fight. While the security council failed us, at least their are other branches that are helping, bringing in aid.

As for other countries, they havent said anything big. Ofcourse the US "understands" Israels need to blast Gaza to the stoneage (not like it wasnt far from it before the 27th). Israel said that this situation isnt going to stop anytime soon. It justifies its attacks by saying its defending its citizens, which isnt really close to a good justification but governments accept it.

People, however, across the world have given their opinion. There were strikes and riots stretching from London, and Athens, to South Korea. There were strikes in the Middle East as well. Some strikes, like some in Lebanon, I cant really be proud of. Ignorance is everywhere even on our side.

Im suprised nobody still doesnt have anthying to say.
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