All American presidents are murderous bastards. But Bush is one of the worst.

I hate him(johnson), Clinton and so on mainly I hate presidents who 1. get us in to a poorly excetued war/operation what ever or 2. cut military anything and finally 3. pull a clinton and do both these guys are mostly good on the social side I will admit but who ever let these morons run the military oy vey all these guys need to let JCs (Joint Chiefs) do their job or in case of vietnam find JCs who are not incredibly stupid (wanna know why we lost so mant pilots the JC/slash Ops Generals were using tactics from WW2 on SAM defenses even a two year old isn't that stupid

everyone please pardon the rant I'm done now

Ohh, I thought you were talking about Andrew Johnson. I would not rate LBJ so poorly. Socially, he was excellent.

Johnson I dislike for starting Vietnam. I don't know too much about Hoover and Harding, but I'm fairly sure they don't outweigh the guys I listed.

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Top five worst, I believe is what people were saying. And those are Johnson, Nixon, Jackson, and the Bushes.

Why Johnson, just wondering? Shouldn't Hoover and Harding be on that list?

This is funny, you cant count clinton as one of the worst presidents, he was the most effective president in history when facing a house and senate controlled by republicans, he got more bills and laws passed and signed into law then both Bushes put together... and thats with again a republican house and senate.

This combo of republican legislature and clinton as president squared away our nation for a golden age... amiss all the allegations and legal problems with Clinton, if he were allowed to run for a third term he would of won... he is a brilliant man and tactition... I wish he was able to run again. He is arguably the only reason John Kerry was even in the running for the white house.

Top five worst, I believe is what people were saying. And those are Johnson, Nixon, Jackson, and the Bushes.

Iraq was not a military goof-up. It was a well-executed war in terms of tactics.

Do not place Clinton, nor Bush, among the top 5 presidents either. You are putting them on the level of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, FDR, or George Washington. If you do that, then you are the one that needs help i'm sorry to say. Those were good presidents, very good presidents.

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And thats usually only where the goof-ups begin too.

...International response, affects the outcome of domestic stability...Vice-versa

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Every president has his military goof-ups

And thats usually only where the goof-ups begin too.

Every president has his military goof-ups, where he should have let the Joint Chiefs do their job.

nope but when bush did military stuff he at least backed up the troops clinton freakin left'em hanging in somalia if he had freakin let the arm bring APCs instead of Hummers and Choppers the blackhawk down situation would not have happened and those men and those civvies would not be dead.

I don't think clint was the worst prez ever but from a military persective he sucked (and moral) but otherwise he was fine

So that automatically makes him the worst person, like, ever. Right.

scuse me but slick willy started his share of wars and has his share of American and forgien blood on his hands troops in Iraq have not strafed and killed 1500 people with freakin helicopters because of poor support

No, no, no. Clinton was not one of the worst presidents. We've had scores of people in the White House who were worse than him. He had an affair and lied about it. That can't possibly compare to starting wars, killing your political opponents, and ruining the economy, all of which were done by past (and current) presidents. Clinton was bad in a moral way, yes. But if you compare him to dear old King Bush, things start to look a little brighter for Slick Willie, who, by the way, is right up there with Carter in his post-presidential humanitarian efforts.

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First of all if you dont put Clinton in the top five youre the one that needs the help.

why? the man was easily the biggest idiot we've had in the top office followed very, very closely by the Bush family

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Clinton doesn't even make the top five of all-time scuzzballs in the Oval Office. Johnson is number one, hands down, followed by Nixon, Andrew Jackson, Bush One, and Bush Two.

First of all if you dont put Clinton in the top five youre the one that needs the help.

George W. is the most sorriest President we hav had in a seriously long time. Jimmy Carter is not the best but he looked out for the little guy. Bush on the other hand has pissed off many People from the little guy to the rich man as well because he is inept. Incapable of forming a thought without having questions given to him prior to a conversation/debate. He has always been the wrong President for the United States. He does not make peace just war with everyone.

We should not have gone to war with out further verification of the intelligence. WE don't need to go to war just becasue someone shot at his father(Figuratively speaking!)Gore should not have let him slide with the election! This is such a sad state of affairs.

Thats easy: NO!!!

I dunno Bush one did an okay job better than slick willy any way but yeah bush 2 has not done the best job in the oval office not Hoover "don't do shit" bad but bad.