Well get this, the Arab world doesn't need the US to kill people, they do that shit all on their own... all 160+ Casualties in Iraq the other day were Iraqi casualties... and guess what, the Americans didn't kill them; other Iraqis did.

And Kat the term that was used was weapons grade plutonium... not Nuclear weapons.

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Well in that case, lets invade every other non-Westernized non-democracy. That leaves only, what, every country in the Middle East other that Israel?

Well except for saudi-arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, Yemen, Lebanon, and UAE... What your problem, and the problem of a lot of other people, is that you just dont get that there is a lot more to the middle east than Iran and Syria (which are the only other middle eastern countries we have a problem with besides Iraq)

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These are insurgents that weren't there until we decided to invade.

And that shows how little you know about history... There has always been a rebellion of sorts in Iraq, way back in the 90's we thought about helping the Kurds in the north overthrow Saddam, ratehr than having a war to do it. But the Kurds are awful people, they are the origional terrorist bombers in Iraq. They killed innocent bystandards to try and make their points... this is nothing new to Iraq.

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slaughtered at the hands of our soldiers

Oh really, so now we slaughter people... do we eat dead babies too? I see that you only have one post hopefully at the rate your going it will be your last. I have a feeling it will be, because I call people like you a one hit wonder, they throw something obnoxious out there but know that they could never defend it with actual fact. The fact that Kat even tried is pathetic and laughable.

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Every day FAR more innocent people are slaughtered at the hands of Al Quieda and insurgent operatives in the extremists' insatiable need for power. And you know what, it's not like Bush is some grand dictator orchestrating this thing. I supported the war beforehand and I still support it today. I still think we should have gone in there.

These are insurgents that weren't there until we decided to invade.

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The reason we went in there WAS to have a great impact on the world situation. I don't get how people can assume anyone would just say "oh, lets have a war".

Oh, what a fantastic idea to make our country safer. Alienate all of the Arab world and make everyone else just plain hate us.

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He never claimed there was nuclear weapons in Iraq. Sounds like you're one of those people talking about things they know nothing about.

Nay, but Cheney, Rice, and Powell all came out and said the reason we were/are in Iraq was because there were WsMD there.

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And lets say that Iraq stablizes and becomes a successful democracy with a modern scoiety. The first Middle Eastern nation to really do so. Will Bush "rote" in hell for that? I agree, we should put Saddam back in power and foget the whole thing.

Well in that case, lets invade every other non-Westernized non-democracy. That leaves only, what, every country in the Middle East other that Israel?

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Everyday innocent people are slaughtered at the hands of our soldiers because of Bush's insatiable need for power.

Every day FAR more innocent people are slaughtered at the hands of Al Quieda and insurgent operatives in the extremists' insatiable need for power. And you know what, it's not like Bush is some grand dictator orchestrating this thing. I supported the war beforehand and I still support it today. I still think we should have gone in there.

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At what point did he consider whether or not his actions would have a great impact on our civilization and the Iraqi civilization? He didn't.

The reason we went in there WAS to have a great impact on the world situation. I don't get how people can assume anyone would just say "oh, lets have a war".

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The simple fact is that he was wrong and will not admit it. There were no nuclear weapons in Iraq.

He never claimed there was nuclear weapons in Iraq. Sounds like you're one of those people talking about things they know nothing about.

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I think its clear and easy to say that he is a worthless human being who wiil rote in hell for what he has done.

And lets say that Iraq stablizes and becomes a successful democracy with a modern scoiety. The first Middle Eastern nation to really do so. Will Bush "rote" in hell for that? I agree, we should put Saddam back in power and foget the whole thing.

Welcome to Youthnoise. Shitty rhetoric like yours won't go very far.

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I agree with Doc accept for coal that's supposed to be running low

Didn't see this a while ago but I'll respond anyway. Coal is far from running low. It's finite, but we've got at least 250 years of coal INSIDE the US at current rates. And that's only known reserves. Canada has huge amounts also. Coal is still pretty abundant.

Everyday innocent people are slaughtered at the hands of our soldiers because of Bush's insatiable need for power. He doesn't consider the issues at hand before he puts things into action. At what point did he consider whether or not his actions would have a great impact on our civilization and the Iraqi civilization? He didn't. The simple fact is that he was wrong and will not admit it. There were no nuclear weapons in Iraq. But he, of all people, did not want to be the one who was wrong, because that would look bad on him. Although, there is not much more one could do to make him look any worse. So, is Bush a good president or Not? I think its clear and easy to say that he is a worthless human being who wiil rote in hell for what he has done.

I agree with Doc accept for coal that's supposed to be running low and is pretty destructive we should work on Hydro, Nuclear, Wind, Solar and Geothermal power

I'll agree with you there, but under the current administration, and the rate things are going I'm willing to take any step in the right direction they are willing to make

Screw ANWR, that's not a solution. Although I'm generally in support of drilling there, selling it as a way to "free us from forgien oil" is just wrong. What we need to do is increase nuclear and coal power sources, and promote efficiency in our energy use. That means maintiaining our infrastructure, and for gods sake increase the minimum MPG for cars and light trucks. It's obscene.

It's all a matter of strategy. Most of our forign oil comes from Saudi Arabia... Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Usama Bin Laden and the vast majority of 9-11 hijackers, both successful and failed. Most of Al-Quida is saudi, saudi arabia donates billions of dollars to muslim extremist groups, up to 90% of that money finds Al-Quida in one way or another.

So who is the real enemy... it's not Iraq, but why cant we attack Saudi Arabia? Because up to 80% of our oil passes through Saudi arabia in a day. If the saudis were to cut off our oil supply the US would be sent spiraling into depression. While I dont completely agree with it, this is one reason we need to drill in ANWR... the sooner we ween ourselves off forign oil the sooner we can eliminate the source of islamic jihadists. Now Iraq has massive oil fields... if we have a supply from Iraq, coupled with the gulf, repaired relations with venezuela, and ANWR we wouldn't need Saudi oil, if we stopped buying then the Sauds would go bankrupt and all of bin Ladens money in Saudi Arabia would dissapear and become the property of the crown prince of Saud.

care to explain Hyd?

you'd be suprised but oil has something to do with it, but it's not what many people think it is. Sometimes people need to think a little harder and dig a little deeper beyond all the ramblings of politicians.

Although I don't support the war, I don't see how anyone can buy the oil arguement. If the US was after oil, we could have negoitiated with Sadaam.

DAP4life= WAY OVER SIMPLIFICATION

if thats the best you can come up with for an argument ask questions to people who do know something... or research it yourself.

bush=bad president
war=oil
war=pointless
i hate him

or Carter? or Kennedy? really please explain I'm curious as to what you mean.

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elaborate in a post? or a Encyclopedia entitled: "Why all presidents are murderous bastards." ?

Do you honestly think that George Washington was a murderous bastard?

Your a loose cannon... outta control, every one look out for kidd... he's CRRRAAAZZYY

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Originally posted by bluedemocrat:

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All American presidents are murderous bastards. But Bush is one of the worst.

Okay....care to elaborate.

elaborate in a post? or a Encyclopedia entitled: "Why all presidents are murderous bastards." ?

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All American presidents are murderous bastards. But Bush is one of the worst.

Okay....care to elaborate.

Kidd... didn't your mommy ever say, if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all... well my mom forgot too...

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE GO AWAY!!!

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Originally posted by Saturnmoth007:
Iraq was not a military goof-up. It was a well-executed war in terms of tactics.

I laugh at you.