We need to slay every last cold-blooded, blood-thirsty, throat-cutting, Allah-praising, sheep-herding, murdering son-of-a-b!tch in the world who kills our citizens and our allies. Let's nuke them! After we turn power over to Iraq, they kill an American soldier. Let's kill those mother ****ers!
I want to thank you for addresing my issue that I posed to you so thoroughly and covering every detail I proposed. Thank you, P-bucket.
And one last thing. This whole conservative Democrat/Liberal Republican stuff makes me mad. They dont make any sense. If you support all conservative ethics, you should be a republican. In fact P-Bucket, why dont you make a short sided list of things you consider that makes you a member of the democratic party. Thank you. That is all.
So sorry. It's just that I take death threats a little serious, *******.
quote: Not all Democrats support abortion, gay rights, or all the Democratic economic values.
Of course not. But when someone claims to be a Democrat and argues against more than a few things Democratic, it seems a little strange.
quote: Don't be a fool, stay in school.
Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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quote: You should kill me? You don't think that's a little drastic, considering you've never met me? Oh, but wait. You support war, which is also killing people you've never met, so I guess it's understandable.
You've never met me. So how can you judge my standards? Sure I may say one thing, but it may not mean what you think it does.
quote: Um, you know, I find that hard to believe after you just said that you should kill me.
See above. I still respect you. The only reason I made that statement is because of the fact that you judged me too fast. Lighten up.
quote: Then I guess we've got to feel bad for North Carolina. And sorry about doubting you're Democrat-ness. I just wasn't aware that supporting war, not supporting gay rights, or abortion were Democratic ideals. They should have sent me the memo that Democrat now means Republican. Damn their organizational skills!
John Kerry voted for war more than once. Not all Democrats support abortion, gay rights, or all the Democratic economic values. So shove your ideas up yours.
quote: Maybe not, but I certainly read this:
That's why you read everything. To understand the situation. Don't be a fool, stay in school.
quote: Paint there is no way you failed to realize a nuke would not take out only a select group of people living among innocents. You said nuke them and clearly any nuke will have extreme collateral damage. You either failed to realize this (which i doubt), or indeed wanted a lot of innocent arabs dead.
Okay. Don't nuke them. Just carpet-saturation bomb them to death. Pull all of our friends out and let the Air Force practice their skills!
You should kill me? You don't think that's a little drastic, considering you've never met me? Oh, but wait. You support war, which is also killing people you've never met, so I guess it's understandable.
quote: I respect everyone.
Um, you know, I find that hard to believe after you just said that you should kill me.
quote: I am the NC Teen Democratic Party Treasurer.
Then I guess we've got to feel bad for North Carolina. And sorry about doubting you're Democrat-ness. I just wasn't aware that supporting war, not supporting gay rights, or abortion were Democratic ideals. They should have sent me the memo that Democrat now means Republican. Damn their organizational skills!
quote: Did you read my last post?
Maybe not, but I certainly read this: We need to slay every last cold-blooded, blood-thirsty, throat-cutting, Allah-praising, sheep-herding, murdering son-of-a-b!tch in the world who kills our citizens and our allies. Let's nuke them! After we turn power over to Iraq, they kill an American soldier. Let's kill those mother ****ers!
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"what difference??? humiliation is torture. americans should lower their ego...the crown is falling."
first, if you believe humiliation IS torture then you must be the biggest wimp crybaby on earth.. seriously.. you here about people being humiliated all the time.. people say i was completely humilated... boyfriends/girlfriends post naked pictures of their ex's online and humilate them.. a girls bathing suit comes off in public and they feel humiliated.. none of this is torture..
granted humiliation COMBINED with other actions can be used to make people talk but i still would not view it as torture, nor would anyone with a brain and especially someone that has actually been tortured... read my other post and answer the questions...
torture: Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r Function: noun Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle Date: 1540 1 :something that causes agony or pain 2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
torture Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): tor·tured; tor·tur·ing /'torch-ri[ng], 'tor-ch&-/ Date: 1588 1 : to cause intense suffering to : 2 : to punish or coerce by inflicting excruciating pain 3 : to twist or wrench out of shape :
now i have been bitten by a dog many times, not that painful sure it hurts but not bad.. but i would agree that letting a dog attack someone is torture, hence i said "granted some were tortured but most were simply humiliated" and that would be a true statement.. making someone stand on a box naked, or lay in a naked pile is not torture it is humiliation and it weakes the mind.. same as sleep deprevation, which i also don't consider torture, heck every police department in the country uses it..
go ask someone that has been truly tortured if they think there is a difference.. i think we all know the answer would be yes.....
Paint there is no way you failed to realize a nuke would not take out only a select group of people living among innocents. You said nuke them and clearly any nuke will have extreme collateral damage. You either failed to realize this (which i doubt), or indeed wanted a lot of innocent arabs dead.
quote: You don't support gay rights, abortion. You support war. You hate everyone who isn't white or American. How are you not a Republican
I should kill you. I respect everyone. I am the NC Teen Democratic Party Treasurer. I am just conservative on ethics. I don't hate non-Americans. Did you read my last post? You need to get facts and read before you say ignorant things like that.
quote: i agree with paint, 100%.. wanna know why? because he did not say(in this post at least) kill all arabs, nor did he say kill all iraqis or islamic people/cultures.. he said kill all of the people that are killing us... that i agree with.. you don't?
i find it funny how many people on here try to sound educated about the subject of iraq.. it makes me giggle.. out of say every 10 people maybe 2 have a clue...
Thank you for understanding my point. At least you can understand what other people say. Thank you.
quote: Bush wants OIL
That's old.
quote: What we did in Japan was horrific
We need to do it more. That's why Vietnam lasted so long.
quote: You started a forum calling abortion murder.
It is.
quote: my question is: how can you hate a complete country for something theyre werent guilty of? thats just mean
Misunderstanding on your part. I dislike the people who kill us. Not Iraq as a whole.
quote: Paint, why do you shame the United States? You say you are a patriot but is giving your country a bad reputation for being insensitive a patriotic thing to do? I love my country and will not tolerate ignorant people making such racist comments. Why not redeem yourself? Why not apologize to the many people you have offended instead of digging a deeper hole. No, you know what? Keep adding insult to injury for the innocent Iraqi citizens. There are alot of Iraqis who are helping U.S. soldiers. Do you want to kill them too? Why because they were born into a country you despise? Do you understand how much like Hitler you sound? He wanted to kill all the Jews just like you want to kill the Iraqis.
I don't shame America. Unpatriotic and lazy people shame America. I am not racist. I used to live as a minority in Durham NC, south of my home now. There are many more black people than white people. I had 5 times the black friends there, and most came from another background altogther. I don't jugde by race. That is stupid and ignorant. The skin color of someone is no different than a football player and a baseball player or Methodists and Catholics. Its just another difference. I care about the innocent people, and want to do missions there in Iraq. I don't hate a country because of some of their people. I hate the bad people, not the country and the good people. And just because my blood is 1/3 German dosen't mean I like Hitler. I think he was psycho and I despise him. The Jews are good people. So shove it.
quote: Paintbucket, we've been over this.
When?
quote: bad karma
So my Chinese tranquility and spiritual mural on my wall isn't working? Cheap peice of sh!t!
quote: It's disturbing how insanely ignorant you can be to blame an ENTIRE COUNTRY full of innocent (although more than a little pissed off) people for the actions of their government. And who are you to wage war on the "infadels" (which you spelled wrong)? Have you ever been to Iraq? Have you ever seen the mounting casualties on BOTH SIDES? Yes, American soldiers are getting killed, and so are Iraqi civilians and soldiers. In huge numbers. Just writing it off as "KILL THEM ALL" is (again) ignorant, and disturbingly cold-blooded thing to do. And you're not racist against Muslims? I believe you said something about a jihad against allah-worshipping infidels - if the mcVeigh family killed American soldiers would you call them Christ-worhipping infidels? You've even dated a black girl before? golly gee, we've got ourselves a liberal-thinker. And as far as Japan goes? We didn't bomb the key military bases - we dropped the nukes on mainly-civilian cities because they were geographically set-up so we could test the nuclear bomb. What we did in Japan was horrific. Kind of like the Crusades.
Not blaming the whole country or region. Yall are some hard-headed people. And whats with the liberal thinker sh!t?
quote:no not really, they abused them not tortured them(for the most part) there is a difference.. granted some were tortured but most were simply humiliated.. now i have gone over this before and all the "americans tortured them" people would not respond to my simple questions.. i'm guessing because they knew i was right, if i wasn't by all means respond.. i will repost that part of the original above.
what difference??? humiliation is torture. americans should lower their ego...the crown is falling.
quote:You hate everyone who isn't white or American. How are you not a Republican?
who's the ignorant one???? ah, dont be mad, he/she is probably secluded in a farm in the middle of El Carajo.
You don't support gay rights, abortion. You support war. You hate everyone who isn't white or American. How are you not a Republican?
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saddam "negotiated" by saying one thing and doing another.. and let the UN handle it? if you believe that was a solution i have a bunch of magic beans to sell you.. lets see, saddam broke several UN resolutions and they did nothing, saddam kicked out inspectors and they did nothing.. saddam killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and they did nothing.. then people say the other countries in the UN were against the war.. actually no they were not.. people forget that the majority of the countries did NOT object to the war, mainly it was the countries that held veto power that were against it.. and look at who they were... the countries making BILLIONS from saddam and the oil for food program.. of course they were against it.. i would be too, if it meant that i was going to loose a several billion dollar anual paycheck..
then the big WMD debate.. ok all the anti war people keep whining about bush lied, there were no WMD etc.. umm EVERY country in the UN thought they had them.. sorry it is a fact... so how did bush lie when everybody else ALSO thought he had them? now as for the WMD.. can you say needle in a hay stack.... saddam had months and years to perfect hiding them.. the majority of the country is not developed.. it would be so easy to hide them it isn't funny... also the majority of the military from our country as well as other countries(some of which i might add were against the war) believe they are in syria.. you also have syrian defectors and syrian captives saying they are there.. also if there were NO WMD where did the IRAQI artillery shells loaded with sarin and mustard gas come from? according to saddam and the anti war crowd they had ALL BEEN DESTROYED AND DIDN'T EXIST ANYMORE... or maybe this was simply a harry potter type magic trick... some magical islamic cleric changed a normal shell into a chemical one simply to teach the infidels a lesson...
then they point fingers saying we are killing civilians... yeah and.... of course we are, it is kind of hard not to when your enemy uses them as a f'ing shield... the US goes out of its way NOT to harm or kill civilians, if you deny this you need serious help.. if we did not care about civilians, the whole war would be over and our soldiers would be at home right now.. if we did not care about civilians and civilian casualties, we would simply over run the enemy blow up everything in site and kill them all.. problem solved, no more enemy..see when the US does kill civilians it is accidental i think we all know that, however the enemy kills them on purpose... when we kill a civilian the whole world speaks out calling us murderers and killers, but when the terrorist do it, you hear nothing... just look at the last beheading.. very few countries spoke out.. imagine what the world would say if the US did that to one of the prisoners.. remember this was not simply a beheading, this kid's head was slowly sawed off with a knife while people held him down...and what did the arab countries say? nothing....yet we stack some naked prisoners on top of each other and it is the holocaust revisited... give me a f'ing break!!!!!!!
as far as the prisoners.. i have mixed feelings.. some of those prisoners are army and also prison guards that worked in that prison.. those people i think deserve much worse than anything they recieved.. these are the people that actually did toture innocent men women and children.. everything from mass rape, murder, and real torture.. no, don't even try and compare the two.. when i say mass rape, i am talking about the well documented occurances of up to 50 men raping 9-15 year old girls for fun.. kidnapped and raped for fun or to prove a point to their families.. saddam actually had a RAPE SQUAD... that would teach a mother or father or other family members a lesson by beating and raping their children or relatives for days, weeks, or months.. YOUNG CHILDREN, MANY TIMES resulting permenant and serious health problems and death.
and when i say murder, i don't mean a prisoner here and there, i mean thousands upon thousands.. in horrible ways, including, slow electrocution of body parts until they die of shock induced stroke or heart attacks, gut shooting people then laughing aat them while they die a slow death, slow hangings, while being beaten.. burned alive, everything from being doused with gasoline to having it poured down there throats, slowly dipped into acid, slowly sawed apart, being pushed into a platic/wood chipper feet first, just to name a few things.. he would also force parents to set fire to their children and children set fire to their parents. so what would you consider worse? forced to give your friend a BJ or setting fire to your children and watching them scream and burn to death in front of your eyes?
and as far as tourture nothing i repeat nothing our soldiers did compares to the torture these people commited.. i hear people say they shoved a broom stick up their a s s... i would much rather have that done to me than saddam's version.. he would have guards shove a pole about the size of a pvc pipe fitted with a device on the end that resembles a treble hook , and actually pull their insides out through their rectum... now which one would you pick? i won't even begin to list his ways of torture, but i think anyone with a brain can see there is no real comparison here...
now on the other side, many of the people in the prison are simply detainees, thus innocent people.. and they should be treated with respect unlees they are proven guilty of something.. the fact that some of them have been abused and humiliated, makes me angry and i think the soldiers involved need to be punished severely!!! no slap on the wrist c r a p.. PUNISHED!!!
i agree with paint, 100%.. wanna know why? because he did not say(in this post at least) kill all arabs, nor did he say kill all iraqis or islamic people/cultures.. he said kill all of the people that are killing us... that i agree with.. you don't?
i find it funny how many people on here try to sound educated about the subject of iraq.. it makes me giggle.. out of say every 10 people maybe 2 have a clue...
"AMERICA tortured Iraqi prisoners."
no not really, they abused them not tortured them(for the most part) there is a difference.. granted some were tortured but most were simply humiliated.. now i have gone over this before and all the "americans tortured them" people would not respond to my simple questions.. i'm guessing because they knew i was right, if i wasn't by all means respond.. i will repost that part of the original above.
"The ignorance of todays youth is something that is keeping me akake at night."
i agreed until i read the rest of your post.
"What the iraqis have done to us does not even compare what we have done to them."
your right, we have set them free from a mass murdering dictator, they have done nothing.. unless of course you are talking about civilian deaths from the war.. which would also make a laughable debate.. we go out of our way NOT to kill civilians, some thing the terrorists don't do.. as i said before if we didn't care about civilian casualties the whole thing would have been over months ago...true some innocent civilians died due to american attacks, and that is always sad, but they died at a much greater ratio under saddam.. he purposely killed and tortured innocent men women and CHILDREN!..
" Dont you see people...we went in and tried to change their goverment..we had no right"
sure we did.. we had the right because of the things saddam did, we had the right because of his violations, we had the right because he supported terrorists and most importantly we had the right because the overwhelming majority of iraqi people wanted it.. the vast majority of iraqis supported the overthrow of saddam.. they just simply don't want to be an occupied country.. and i don't blame them for that.
"Yea we heard it from our media that the Iraqis were unhappy with there goverment"
no we heard it through our media, through the iraqi public, through the kurds and everyone else in iraq(or from iraq). i find it funny that the same people saying we had no right to go in and help are usually the same people that complain that we didn't stay and help the people after the first gulf war.(which BTW we should have done. help that is)
"but if they were so unhappy why are so many rebelling now."
lol again a statement that shows very little knowledge on the subject.. so many? lol actually you should have said so few.. out of a country of millions we have about 10,000 people rebelling and aroung 800-2000 of them are not even from iraq..
"Why are so many dead."
again another common question that makes me laugh... why are they dead? well because people die in war.. because people die in terrorist attacks etc.. i find this question funny because they complain about the killing and the dead but somehow miss the fact that hundreds upon hundreds of thousands were MURDERED, not killed, MURDERED under saddam.. there is no comparison.
"Let those other countries work it out."
your comments are funny... ok we stay over here and hide.. we "let them work it out". umm so we sit back and let them become more and more dangerous, let them continue mass killing a genocide.. good plan.. so when we do actually have to go in, many more of OUR soldiers will die.. good plan.
"We should have only went if they were asking for help."
umm they did.. for many years... and for some stupid reason(read politics) we didn't... it's about time we did help.
"well Saddam might not have been the best leader but that doesnt give us the right to be ther...lets just get at the truth"
OK... the truth is you have no idea what you are talking about... "might not have been"? my god person...
"Bush wants OIL"
wrong.. tired and played out as well..if that was the case we should go after south merica.. or heck even over there, we could have simply killed of the kurds they sit on the largest single oil field in iraq.. but we didn't... true oil doea play a part in it.. but not in the way the anti war people's fanatsies read.
"It's disturbing how insanely ignorant you can be to blame an ENTIRE COUNTRY full of innocent (although more than a little pissed off) people for the actions of their government"
agreed but funny... isn't that what they do to us?
"Yes, American soldiers are getting killed, and so are Iraqi civilians and soldiers. In huge numbers."
actually americans aren't getting killed in huge numbers... compare the monthly fatalities in this war to say korea or vietnam... not huge numbers..
also very few civilians are killed by our troops especially these days.. more are being killed by terrorists..
"What we did in Japan was horrific"
i see we have someone else that is not to up on WW2 facts.. the bomb was the best way to go.. it actually caused less casualties.. and BTW you did know the japanese were working on an atom bomb to drop on us. which by the way the detonated a few days after we dropped ours on them... so i guess we should have waited and let them nuke us first? good plan.
"You started a forum calling abortion murder. I am not going to debate your position on it right here, yet I am going to say that why is killing babies through abortion so wrong while killing baby Iraqis okay? That doesnt make any sense"
i agree that doesn't make much sense.. but to be fair there are many more abortions per year than intentional deaths of children/babies caused by the US military.. but again i agree with you, not much sense...
"It was funny, and no one commented on it. Who is it by? "
-----""""WAR! *grunt* What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" (Sing it again!) I say, "WAR! *grunt* What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!""""
It was funny, and no one commented on it. Who is it by? One time I saw a terrible rendition of that on; of all shows; Xena, Warrior Princess. Hey, what can I say, it was better than Hercules, by A LOT. Both were corny sometimes, okay, a lot, but at least on Xena there was more fighting, and it was better fighting too. Kevin Sorbo never did anything cool.
Interesting fact here, P-Bucket. You started a forum calling abortion murder. I am not going to debate your position on it right here, yet I am going to say that why is killing babies through abortion so wrong while killing baby Iraqis okay? That doesnt make any sense.
Paint, why do you shame the United States? You say you are a patriot but is giving your country a bad reputation for being insensitive a patriotic thing to do? I love my country and will not tolerate ignorant people making such racist comments. Why not redeem yourself? Why not apologize to the many people you have offended instead of digging a deeper hole. No, you know what? Keep adding insult to injury for the innocent Iraqi citizens. There are alot of Iraqis who are helping U.S. soldiers. Do you want to kill them too? Why because they were born into a country you despise? Do you understand how much like Hitler you sound? He wanted to kill all the Jews just like you want to kill the Iraqis.
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