are u saying that Republicans are racists??? How can you break off a tie with your "best friend" just because of his/her political party? And YOU are telling me that we need to work together to make a difference. I dont think Im the hypocrite here....

Like I've said before, I respect anyone who respects my opinion, the kind that says, "Yes, but I think..."; NOT "(snort)...you liberals are all alike! You're stupid! You're wrong, I'm right!!" But so many people like those below this post are like that. How can we ever compromise and work together to make this world better if you're going to act this way??!!
When was the last time you quoted a reliable source to back your opinions, hmm? And yet here we have: "you just mouth off without thinking... all you watch is CNN... blah blah blah." Well... look who's being a hypocrite! Lets face it, we're not walking encyclopedias of quotes and such. We're just teenagers, not super-intellectuals! And what's wrong with CNN? Is it because they don't devote most of their air-time to closed-minded people who think the way you do?
You want to know something shocking? I used to think the way you did. I was once a conservative. But the more I knew about the world, with its poverty, violence, injustice, and enviromental devistation, the more I secretly disagreed with my bossy now-former "best friend", who was a devout fan of Rush Limbaugh, fundamentalist "Christian", and self-proclaimed racist. The more I was able to think for myself and get away from my cozy little suburban life, the more I realized that I was only kidding myself. Most people become more and more conservative as they age; I become more and more liberal.
You all have rights to your opinion, and as long as you're courteous, then so am I. But when you ignore the other side or bash it into the ground without even the SLIGHTEST consideration or tolerance... well, I'll just say that you're not much better than Bin Laden's followers.

madjilll

How many times do I have to tell you, I don't watch CNN and I never listen to Larry King? I love how you use accusations like that as your crutch every time you can't come up with an argument. All I do is read the news-- yeah, silly, clueless, ignorant me... Face it, some of us might actually have legitimate reasons for feeling the way we do!

Hey pal,

Thank you for actually having brains. Half these people ( like Fig and Jill here) dont even know what they are talking about because all they do is listen to Larry King or some other Liberal CNN anchor who has no knowledge of what they're actually putting on the air. As for anyone who said that bid Laden is their "hero", how dare you say such a thing. It is people like you that make the world a worse place than it already is. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for even having that state of conciousness. One other thing I would like to add, to those of you who are using descrimination as a course of revenge, please stop. You are part of the PROBLEM, not part of the solution.

just one thing

You ARE AWESOME!!!!!im glad there are people out there who see things my way/keep up the good work

I pray to God that you are not serious!!

By sticking up for an evil man like Bin Laden, I fear my "friend" that you are the one who is the real disgrace to teens. Furthermore, if anyone. you( god forgive me) will be joining all the hijackers and your best buddy Osama someday if you seriously think that he is doing the right thing??!!!

at this moment,I am praying GOd to save your soul from being cast into hell and help you see the way/

Okay then... no need to get nasty just cause you don't agree with me. Sheesh!
It's just a weird thought, but what if this Luckyluke guy is just trying to raise hell?? There are all kinds like him, especially on AOL (and here ). How bout we ignore this crazy b****** and find something more constructive to do? Like fighting REAL terrorists, not just little immature
a**wipes like Luckypuke.

Jill

whats with all this fighting back and forth between Angel and whoever else. its all bull **** why don't you guys just give it up for once your taking up all the room that some people might have something important to say and all i see is you guys fighting back and forth about taking your medication... why don't you both grow up a little bit....

I dont from finland or some country like that. I reviewed his profile and it just says when he registered. Even if he isnt an American, hes still a JACKA**! I dont really care if hes from here there or from up a hogs a**! Hes still bashing the US and that is something i cant stand for. Anyone who lost someone in the WTC Attack believes the same way i do and the first thing we should do is take out Osama, then take out anyone who feels like that jacka** luckyluke!

P.S.
By the way Jill, I think that Bushsupporter is right. You people are higly uneducated rednecks. You need to find research things before you run your mouths!

Just for everyone's info: I don't even think Luckyluke is an American. It says in his profile he's from Finland or some country like that. ˙ That kinda explains a lot, doesn't it?? So you can't really tell him to leave the U.S. if he doesn't even live here...

Jill …

What's wrong with you? The country you live in suffered a horrible attack at the hands of one the the worlds most horrible humans. How you can support him is as mind-boggling as you living in this country. If you don't like the US, get the H*** out! We dont want that kind of attitude nor do we need it, so as far as I'm concerned you can leave this free country and go somewhere like Afganistan, where you will spend most of your time hiding and running from the American forces that are working so hard to prevent that a**hole Osama from doing anything like what hapeened on 9/11. How can you live here? How can you call yourself an American, let alone a decent humanbeing?! To me and most everyother American you are a waste of flesh!

Bushsupporter... you should change your name to "Buchanansupporter", because I don't think even Bush would agree with some of your views.
You don't seem to think there's a difference between one who mearly (sp?) THINKS Bin Laden is right, and one who actually commits acts of violence in his name. Do you really think someone who THINKS Bin Laden is right should be executed?? Then you're the one that worries me...
The idea that people who think the "wrong way" should be killed... THAT is another form of evil. One of my friends actually said she was impressed by the people who bombed the WTC... yes, I'm worried about her too, but does that mean she should be arrested or even EXECUTED for saying that, because she could be a Bin Laden supporter (though I seriously doubt that)??
I hope that we can all calm down and try to find out who poses a real threat to this country, instead of turning into a fascist police state overnight.
Jill

P.S: What's with you and communists?? It's not as if there's still a Soviet Union... communist countries have been either crashing or switching to a sort of semi-capitalist economy. There are more evil things in this world, and communism is definately not one of the top ten these days. We should have a separate discussion on this matter some other time. :

im not saying that i love bin ladden ( i actually hate him). i also had family close by, but in a way u have 2 look at both sides. they attacked us because we helped israel when they were fighting over land with afghanistan, they got ****ed because we helped their openents. so this idiot bin ladden decides that he wants to make a point, by killing millions of people, and its because of the land that they rightfully own but now have to share, and most of it is because we helped their oponents. Now our side; we helped them becasue israel is a stronger country, no other reason. and because we helped israel these people came and bombed us. so if we hadnt helped their would still be a war there, and now that we helped millions of americand were killed. so try and look at both sides before you make such a quick decition.

"Seeming lack of education on the subject"? For starters, I don't watch CBS or CNN. I do read though, so here's a quote for you from the Dec. 10 issue of the New Yorker:

"A series of actions taken by the Department of Justice has raised the hackles of an unusual array of critics. The actions include, notably, an administrative order allowing federal authorities to eavesdrop on conversations between prisoners and their lawyers without a warrant; the summoning for questioning of some five thousand students from Islamic countries resident in the United States; the continued detention of hundreds of aliens without explanation; and the establishment of military tribunals to try suspected terrorists. Those raising the alarm have ranged from the Cato Institute, on the right, to the American Civil Liberties Union, on the left, and from conservatives like William Safire and Bob Barr (Bill Clinton's nemesis in the House) to liberals like Anthony Lewis and Patrick Leahy, whose Senate Judiciary Committee will question Ashcroft in open hearings this week....

"The eavesdropping is a dangerous breach of attorney-client confidentiality and superfluous to boot, since judicial warrants are readily obtainable; the mass questioning is almost surely not worth the cost in ill will and misdirected resources; and the detention of aliens has been so shrouded in unnecessary secrecy that a proper evaluation of it has been impossible. As for military tribunals, they may make sense for certain suspected terrorists captured in, for example, Afghanistan. But within the United States the success of several recent terrorist trials gives the lie to the idea that civilian justice poses unacceptable risks of compromising intelligence sources, endangering judges and jurors, or giving defendants a propaganda forum. Military "commissions"-- which lack many of the safeguards of ordinary courts-martial-- should be used sparingly, if at all. Arrest, trial, conviction (by a two-thirds vote), and execution could all take place in secret; in theory, this may already have happened. The establishment of the military tribunals, like the other steps mentioned above, was done by executive fiat, without congressional approval or even consultation. Undeniably, foreign nationals have fewer constitutional rights than do American citizens, and it is foreign nationals who will be most affected by Ashcroft's actions. But the rights the United States is supposed to stand for are not just constitutional. They are human." -Hendrik Hertzberg

If you believe contrary to those last two sentences, Bushsupporter, then I think you may have missed the point behind our founding fathers' motivations and actions, not to mention that you'd make a lousy human rights activist if you think it takes an American passport to entitle you to fair treatment under the law.

~Fig

I love your uneducated thinking once again. However, what scares me most is that there a lot of people like you who do not find out about a subject before drawing a conclusion. As for the tribunals: they are for NON-CITIZANS, they are for AL QUEDA members, and they are allowed legal representation. Anyone that doesn't fit that criterion must be charged in open court. Everyone is all up in arms because they feel that the constitution is for the world. "All members of the world deserve the rights of the Constitution"-THE Rev. Jesse Jackson. That just simply isn't true. Everyone has such a problem with Vietnam because we were trying to "impose" our values on sovereign nations. You guys can't have it both ways, they can't be communist and still have the rights of this country. It is the same thing in this case. "We the people of the..." World?? No it goes "We the people of these United States". "In order to form a more perfect..." World?? NO, it says, "In order to form a more perfect Union." It also goes on to say that the it is securing "the Blessing of liberty to OURSELVES." That is the preamble to the Constitution, for those of you not familiar with it. You can't get around it: the constitution does NOT apply to all people of the world. Sorry to burst your bubble. Another reason for this is so that evidence brought out in trial cannot go into open records. That would be a national security risk. Some of you might not care about national security because of your disdain for the country itself. Military tribunals are a GREAT idea and they will work wonderfully. As for your seeming lack of education on this subject, maybe watching something other than CBS or CNN might help. And by the way, cursing is not an effective way to make a point, it just shows your lack of self control. Thanks for the debate. Please feel free to reply directly to my message.

-"Freedon is not Free" Korean War Memorial, Washington DC

This is a little off the topic, but it's been bugging me, so since you brought it up, here goes: I think military tribunals are a bunch of sh*t. Why does Ashcroft feel the need for them? Because he can't come up with enough legitimate evidence to convict somebody in a normal court, so he needs to do it in some dark room out of the public's eye so nobody can come to the aid of anyone unfairly accused? It's insane, and a violation of the accused person's rights-- in fact, maybe that's another reason he wants to keep it out of the courts, because what he's doing is entirely unconstitutional. Random people can get thrown in jail indefinitely without access to any legal representation; I thought the point of the constitution--the foundation of this country's principles-- was specifically to prevent that kind of cr*p. Our government's hypocrisy makes me sick sometimes. If anybody can shed some light on this issue, I'd love to hear it.

~Fig

Wow, you are pretty scary ...

Why do you want him dead, justice? Because if you all want him dead to avenge the deaths of those people, you are very confusing. To honor the people who have died, you want to kill more people. umm . . . I'm lost. Don't get me wrong, I don't support Bin Laden, he killed innocent people, but killing him isn't neccasarilly the way to deal with this situation. I think he should be jailed.

I am very concerned about some of the things that I have read on this topic. I guess I can't understand why "labling" a monster, that is willing to kill 6000 INNOCENT people, evil. I have no feelings of concern for bin laden he deserves a fate worse than death. People seem to care about him as if he deserves fair treatment. I can tell you that NO ONE who cares about bin laden's fate lost any one in the attacks. It is the same type of "care about evey one no matter how insane or even yes...EVIL they are" thinking that I am concerned about. Bin laden is NOT entitled to anything, just as the people in the WTC and the Pentagon were not given a FAIR chance. I think that if you are a citizan of this coutry and you support bin laden in his quest for evil then your citizanship should be revoked and you should be tried in front of a military tribunal and killed.

I think that certain people (ahem!) need to settle their disputes over email, so that they won't clog the message boards with their childish name-calling and whatnot. So, ANYWAY...
I read Bryanna's message, and I kind of cracked up. It's true: although Bin Laden is a psychopath who needs to be brought to justice, why do we always need a devil figure in times like these?? We love anything with the theme "good vs. evil": movies, books, video games, real life, etc. So it's no wonder that we go crazy when we have a chance to play "good guy, bad guy", good guy always being us and bad guy always being some creepy dark-eyed lunatic. Hey, I admit it, I love to play that game too! I'm really into history, and I confess I love to learn about WW2, because it's the classic "good versus evil" struggle. But life is not all black and white, so... it's just important not to be too obsessed with finding the next Hitler...

Jill

I did say what I wanted 2 a month or so ago on this post. I wouldn't have even bothered you again if you hadn't made some stupid remark about social hour or some crap. Just chill! I don't want to fight with you anymore. And if it makes it any easier I will swallow my pride a little and take back what I said here if you will. It's up to you again....Do you want to take back all those rude , incriminating remarks of yours from this post? If you do I will. And chill on the religion thing. It really is irritating being labeled all the time. It'd be like me saying , "Well you're just a foul-mouthed bleepity bleep bleep." So please if we end up at another post again do not label me.