not too long ago a U.S. cruiser was in the waters outside of Iraq. Then iranian boats came close to charging the ship and said there was a bomb on it. there goverment denies any involvement but must we really take this? After all they give terroists safe passage into Iraq. So what should we use the spear or the olive branch?

I agree with clpo13, a lot of problems can be solved if the US government would not refuse to negotaite. Also, how can the US expect other countries, such as Iran, to not produce nuclear weapons when the US itself has a large amount of nuclear weapons. It's hipocracy.
If you believe that the US has the right because it's "good" than you're just ignorant. I admit the US has done a lot of great things, but lately....

I agree with clpo13 as well when it comes to questioning the US allies. Israel has a huge arsenal of Nuclear Weapons. From its beginning until this day Israel continues to carry out morally questionable acts, much worse than Iran, but the US permits and aids it.

About the attack on the US Cruiser, the attack was not carried out by Iran's government, or Iranian officials. You cannot condemn Iran for something its not responsible for.

To Bushsupporter, it would be wrong to "just bomb their nuclear facilities". First of all not all of it is used for weapons. Second you cant just bomb crap to make it better, thats just stupid. You claim doing so will aviod causing further strife between Muslims and Jews. Well what about the strife between the US and Muslims, you'll just add gallons of fuel to the fire, besides a move like that can spark another war.

Why does the US find Iran as a threat in the beginning? Its because Iran is a threat to Israel, and therefore the US. Bush said so himself in his speech during Israel's 60 Anniversary. That is the reason why Israel is involved. At the core of all the problems in the middle east, you can find Israel in one way or another. Because the US supports Israel in such a ridiculously strong way, it is resented in the middle east, and finds difficulty when it comes to negotiations.

"Iran is like many islamic countries in these countries the majority of people believe that anyone not Muslim deserves to die." -mouthoftruth22

Wow...you must be blind. Its pathetic that you actually believe that, absolutely pathetic.

Did you stop to question why Iran "portrays the US as devils"?

The president of Iran isn't nearly as radical as some of our allies. Saudi Arabia, for instance, is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalist. Iran, of course, is no better, but before we criticize our enemies, we should examine our friends to make sure they don't possess the same qualities.

As for the nuclear technology question, I don't find a problem with simply possessing it. Threatening to use it, however, is the real problem. Even friendly countries with nukes can be trouble.

its not the nation im against its the ideology that the leaders of the country follow. i agree that our politicians could do better but they are "politicians" so what did you expect? the threat of a nuclear war is always there but even they can see the catastrophe in that. in our defense islamic radicals like their leader believe the west to be enemies of the islamic world. its hard to find peace with a nation that portrays you as the devil. continuing to develop a nuclear program is a "significant threat"

Israel has more nukes than Iran does. And they're more likely to use them. They may be our allies, but Israel is more of a danger than Iran is.

As far as I know, Iran has not made any explicit threats to the United States since the early 1980s. Their mere existence is not a threat, or at least, it shouldn't be.

As for why we'll never have peace...well, I blame our government more than theirs. We refuse to negotiate. We refuse to talk. We refuse to treat them as a fellow nation. If war does occur, it'll be because we failed to prevent it.

Not made a significant threat? have you been hiding under a rock?!?! Iran is like many islamic countries in these countries the majority of people believe that anyone not Muslim deserves to die. Iran will never be at peace with us and in my opinion war is inevitable.

That is ridiculous. Iran has not made a significant threat and it wood be very foolish to take action.



-Alex

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Originally posted by speed:

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We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.

Real smart, the only way we could justify that attitude would be going back to isolationism.
As long as we continue to interfere in the matters of other nations the world has a right to hate us and call us out on every terrible foreign policy decision we make.

The fucking idiots in washington have managed to convince most americans that we are inherently good, and that somehow good for america = good for the world. The truth is that every foreign policy decision we make has the objective of consolidating and furthering america's position as the lone global superpower. Obviously to manage this we have to do terrible things, but as long as americans continue to beleive all the bullshit they are fed the situation will remain the same and the world will continue to hate us.

"Good for America" and "good for the world" are not mutually exclusive you moron. Why do you leftists always talk as if it is. Countries have shared interests and most times good for us means good for others.

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speed:
Real smart, the only way we could justify that attitude would be going back to isolationism.

Nothing wrong with military isolationism. I say keep our trade ties and nothing else.

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We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.

Real smart, the only way we could justify that attitude would be going back to isolationism.
As long as we continue to interfere in the matters of other nations the world has a right to hate us and call us out on every terrible foreign policy decision we make.

The fucking idiots in washington have managed to convince most americans that we are inherently good, and that somehow good for america = good for the world. The truth is that every foreign policy decision we make has the objective of consolidating and furthering america's position as the lone global superpower. Obviously to manage this we have to do terrible things, but as long as americans continue to beleive all the bullshit they are fed the situation will remain the same and the world will continue to hate us.

not once has Iran ever sent a millitary force against Isreal the OPEC nations such as Egypt,Jordan, and palestine are the ones always fighting the wars against Israel. The Isrealis themselves arent close to being innocent. Everytime something little happens they blame an arab country so they can attack it. Such as the case when ONE of there army personnell went missing. Instead of launching an investigation they went straight to bombing palestinian cities and killed inoccent civillians. For the right wing islamists all these different wars from Iraq to the revolutions in Africa are one global jihad. We cannot trust the UN with this problem for only us as Americans will ever have the guts to stand for whats right against such terror. I wish somebody would prove me wrong but i doubt it. We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.

Whose precious UN?

Look at what your precious UN says Iran is up to now.

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Originally posted by mouthoftruth22:
guys this was a U.S. cruiser. attacked by Iran this about us. No Israeli involvement!!! maybe i wasnt clear. Should we as americans condone an attack on iran?

Of course it is about Isreal, everything that happens in the Middle East is about Isreal. It is always about them.

And I have said I would condone an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

guys this was a U.S. cruiser. attacked by Iran this about us. No Israeli involvement!!! maybe i wasnt clear. Should we as americans condone an attack on iran?

Let Israel do their own dirty work.

Makes sense to me. Doing the right thing doesn't always make you popular. Usually the right thing is the hardest thing to do.

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I think we should do it to avoid causing further strife between Muslims and Jews (if anymore can be caused).

Yeah you're right, I mean the muslim world can't hate us anymore than it already does so let's save the israelis the suffering.
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We should just bomb their nuclear facilities. Isreal will do it sooner or later, so it is just a matter of who does it and when. I think we should do it to avoid causing further strife between Muslims and Jews (if anymore can be caused).