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Again, this is responsibility. It happens, and it is inconvenient sure, but we all have to do it. And murdering to escape it is wrong.

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They're not trying to murder! It's not that the mother doesn't want the baby and just wants to get rid of it. (kill it) You see, the mother might have been rapped or got pressured into having sex. It's not allways the mothers falt that the baby has to go

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if you guys are interested in looking at a new point of view of this, read one of Sylvia Brown's books.

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i dunno about anyone else but im not very interested...i get other views from people on here...and i think its wrong that people are just allowed to go out and kill a baby just bc they dont want to take responsibilty...killing an unborn child is no different from killing anyone else. how can you say its not murder?

Lordy, she's back.

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There are plenty of people who are not ugly and I would want to have "touch" them if you know what I mean. It is very broad generalizaition that everybody who is ugly are against abortion.

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Christ. Take a joke.

hmmm...while one is certainly free of doing as one pleases with ones body, I don't think that it would be the same once you are pregnant. It is no longer one, but two people to think about. I do not agree with abortion, and I don't think I would ever practice it. But I cannot judge the women who wish to do so, or practice it because I have not lived there situation and I don't know how it feels or how it is to live with an unwanted child do to either unexpected pregnancy or rape. I myself find a child to be one of the greatest gifts and if I ever found myself in a situation of an unwanted pregnancy I still think that I would embrace the idea of having the baby, but this is only my opinion, though I to hope that I never find myself in that sitiation.

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No I'm sure that a 15 year old would not remember having to drop out of school, her chances of going to a good college slimming, and then squeezing something the size of a water melon out of her.

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Again, this is responsibility. It happens, and it is inconvenient sure, but we all have to do it. And murdering to escape it is wrong.

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Yeah abortion hurts, but so does giving birth.

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There more medicine and experience in keeping a woman alive and the birthing process as painless as possible, than with abortion.

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Women should have a choice, whether most people agree or not on this issue. If the woman wants to put herself through it then let her, but if she doesn't she does not have to.

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Some people don't even have the choice to live or not. There killed because there mom thought it would interfere with her work life or education.

Anyone can write an apple and oranges book.

Someone who is 15 was raped got pregnant and will die if she trys to give birth is the ideal example of someone who NEEDS an abortion.

But that is less than 1% of people who do have them.

25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing
21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<
14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child
12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)
10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career
7.9% of women want no (more) children

Age - The majority of women getting an abortion are young. 55% are less than 26 years old and 21% are teenagers. The abortion rate is highest for those women aged 18 to 19 (56 per 1,000 in 1992.)
Marriage - 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. Unmarried women are 6 times more likely than married women to have an abortion.
Race - 63% of abortion patients are white, however, the abortion rate for non-white women is more than double that of white women.

So chances are you have someone who is 18-19 who just doesn't want a baby, and not married.

It is being used as a sure fire birth control they are saying
"Oh well, if I get pregnant I just have an abortion."

Now is that right?

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or be reminded of what she went through

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No I'm sure that a 15 year old would not remember having to drop out of school, her chances of going to a good college slimming, and then squeezing something the size of a water melon out of her. Yeah abortion hurts, but so does giving birth. And I'm just going to quit trying to get you guys to understand what I'm saying, if you guys are interested in looking at a new point of view of this, read one of Sylvia Brown's books.
Women should have a choice, whether most people agree or not on this issue. If the woman wants to put herself through it then let her, but if she doesn't she does not have to.

very well done, korith.

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It's not alive! You can't kill something that is not alive.

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please explain to me how the fetus isnt alive? from the moment of conception the fetus is living. its a proven fact.

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And who wants to throw their lives away, and have to stop everything to give birth to their rapists baby?

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no one, but its not exactly the babies fault that he/she was conceived under those conditions.

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And I am pretty sure that is a fifteen year old gets raped and she has to drop out of school, and give out so many things, she will be more depressed than if she had had an abortion

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how would she be more depressed? gettin an abortion is a horrible thing. its not just some little procedure where you go in, and have the living being inside of you killed and then its all over with. it hurts. even when the procedure works and the baby is killed, it still hurts the "mother". and if she doesnt want the child, theres always the option of giving it up for adoption. then she never has to see the baby or be reminded of what she went through. if she had an abortion,it would always be there in the back of her mind, knowing she killed her child.

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Do you understand that at the stages at which you can have abortion the fetus organs are practically not even formed,

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Myth.

Do you understand that at the stages at which you can have abortion the fetus organs are practically not even formed.

By this time the Fetus has a heart beat, brain waves, independent movement, and the ability to response to sounds, touch, and even try to escape something it might *think* is dangerous. (Like an abortion tube)

Think for yourself babbyangel, this may require you to do some of your own research to get the facts on the issue.

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And it is not in anyway like killing another person, because in the stages in which an abortion can be had, the fetus isn't yet alive!

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In the partial birth abortion, the stage in which the baby is. um being 'aborted', It is also during the birthing process. The baby is pull out, and its head it cut in the back (the head is the only part still in it mother at the time) then its brain is removed. The whole time the baby is desperately trying to get away from the doctor.

You want to tell me that baby isn't alive?

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And yes very good we're made of cells, but we are living, and breathing

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Not everyone can breathe on their own, or move on their own, or talk, or see est.

We are all still equal. To say that a person isn't a person because they haven’t been born (have have been conceived) is unsound. Even some of the most radical Pro-Choicers can admit that the baby is just as much alive as you or I in the womb.

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I mean taking into consideration that there is no way that you can give birth to a child, and you're not the one who has to carry it around in them for nine months.

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Its called responsibility.

It come with every mad, or wrong decision you make. And murdering to get out of it is just ading fuel to the fire.

Have you ever heard of PAS (Post Abortion Syndrome)?

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And who wants to throw their lives away, and have to stop everything to give birth to their rapists baby?

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Your talking about .8% of all pregnant women.
I'd be fine if just .8% of pregnant women got an abortion.

Babbyangel, you Obviously don’t understand, or don't have all the facts for yourself.

again only 6% of abortions are for health issues.

Most women just don't want to have to take care of a baby, so they kill it.

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A fetus is a lump of cells growing and living inside of her womb, why not kill a more distinct lump of cells she sees on the street that she doesn't like.

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I don't think that you yourself understand what you're saying. Do you understand that at the stages at which you can have abortion the fetus organs are practically not even formed, or much of anything on the fetus for that matter. It's not alive! You can't kill something that is not alive. And it is not in anyway like killing another person, because in the stages in which an abortion can be had, the fetus isn't yet alive! Like you said it's just a lump of cells. And yes very good we're made of cells, but we are living, and breathing. You being a guy should just worry about keeping that zipper up, if you are this much against abortion. I mean taking into consideration that there is no way that you can give birth to a child, and you're not the one who has to carry it around in them for nine months.

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killing a baby isnt the only option in any case

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Again you can't kill something that isn't alive. And who wants to throw their lives away, and have to stop everything to give birth to their rapists baby? And I am pretty sure that is a fifteen year old gets raped and she has to drop out of school, and give out so many things, she will be more depressed than if she had had an abortion

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I would love to see you guys in the same situation. Then you guys would understand what i'am talking about

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ahhhh yes...and i suppose youve had an abortion so you would know how it feels?

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And i'm not saying i'm pregnate!

Because i'm not

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but i dont think thats the case.

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As you guys said, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEEK!!!!

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yes...but your not so i really dont see why we should...

skate you kinda freak out too easily...killing a baby isnt the only option in any case...theres plently of people in the world who can not have children that would love to adopt...yet women still kill their children. studies show that a woman who goes through with the pregnancy ends up emotionally healthier than women who end up getting abortions...women who get abortions end up getting depressed and im sure theyre better off physically, too. i recently read an article about a girl in Ca that attempted an abortion... it killed the baby but some of the reminents remained in the uterus and caused an iffection and she died. she died just bc tha damn Drs were too freakin lazy to make sure that everyone went "according to plan". her father didnt even kno that she was pregnant until the morning she went to the ER to see what was wrong with her. i mean seriously, its sad. its sad that women can trust these Drs...first of all they shoudlnt even be called Drs caz theyre murderers. they dont give a **** about the women or the baby, they just want the money and will do anything to get it. when abortions go wrong in the clinic those "drs" dont kno wut the hell to do so they send the women to a real hospital. i mean honestly...how can people trust drs that are tryin to kill a living being thats inside of you, and then dont even kno what to do if the procedure goes wrong??

There are plenty of people who are not ugly and I would want to have "touch" them if you know what I mean. It is very broad generalizaition that everybody who is ugly are against abortion.

The bill Bush signed only limits partial-birth abortion. Which if you pull every part of the baby out but the head, jab a pair of sissors, suck the brain out, and the whole time the baby is crying, I don't call that killing an innocent child I don't know what it is.

If the mother has the right to kill a fetus she should also have the right to kill people. I mean why not? A fetus is a lump of cells growing and living inside of her womb, why not kill a more distinct lump of cells she sees on the street that she doesn't like.

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Women can do what they want to do with there body. It's their choise what to do with the baby and it's invading privacy when the president is telling what they should do with their bodies! he needs to mind his own buisness

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Have you ever noticed that people who are so adamantly against abortions are so ugly you wouldn't want to touch them in the first place?

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Good point

Abortion in my opinon is disgusting and sounds extremely painful, but it may possibly be the only option.

Have you ever noticed that people who are so adamantly against abortions are so ugly you wouldn't want to touch them in the first place?
--Jack Handey

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I mean after all she thought that she was old enough to go have sex and get pregnant.

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Hmm... well maybe she didn't and she got raped-or even not raped, maybe just pressured into it. and i doubt most teens who think theyre old enough 2 have sex think that they're old enough to get pregnant. also, i kno plenty of GUYS who think, at 13, that theyre old enough 2 have sex. so the guys can think its ok an do it weneva they want but the girls cant just bc they were born as girls? i mean im sure that if guys felt the same way about sex but could get pregnant-dont ask me how this is just somethin u have 2 IMAGINE- a lot of them would still wanna have sex as a teen.

Many thanks, dearest Korith. I shall respond soon.

Responding to people in order of importance.

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Korith, do know the name of the thread that I told you I'd get back to you on?

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That would be the Violent Video games thread in the Zen section (I believe) But take your time

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yes there is a lot of abortion threads...

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Not sure if I ever told you, but I love that name, luvabug. I was once going to start a band and name it Tiny Bugs!

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you guys just don't get abortion you think it's only about the baby and how it's the womens falt. I would love to see you guys in the same situation. Then you guys would understand what i'am talking about

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1) Only .8% of ALL pregnant women were raped/incest.

2) There are MANY form of birth control and people should always use more than 1 form. And of course the only fool proof method is abstinence.

3) I think everyone here can sympathize with a life or death situation. But Good luck in getting someone to condone murder as a way to get out of taking responsibility for your own actions.

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And all of you who think i'm repeating threads, i'm not!!! i'm saying my oppinion. I don't think other people are saying my oppinions.

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Couldn't have done so on a pre-existing thread?

And i'm not saying i'm pregnate!

Because i'm not

you guys just don't get abortion you think it's only about the baby and how it's the womens falt. I would love to see you guys in the same situation. Then you guys would understand what i'am talking about


And all of you who think i'm repeating threads, i'm not!!! i'm saying my oppinion. I don't think other people are saying my oppinions.

As you guys said, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEEK!!!!