Ousted- Your'e kinda missing it. what makes soldiers and our armed forces so noble is that they fight for people who don't agree with or like them. They are brave because they risk their life in battle, but they are noble because of their cause; freedom for all. That means dissidents, commie pinko's, stinkie hippies and all. To complain about it abandons the noble task. It is brave to fight for those you love, it is noble to fight for those you don't.

good try Blue, but that did nothing for me, your obviously missing the point.

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ah, you agian, ive missed you so! Its not about freedom of speech dear, when you accuse thoes whom support the troops of basically killing them and saying "im so happy your going!!" thats not using your freedom of speech correctly.

There is basically no such thing as "using free speech correctly". I believe that you can't make threats, but otherwise basically anything goes. You can say that "you hate the troops". You can say that "Hitler had the right idea".

duh, its not an opinion...its an accusation and a horrible one to tell someone that...thats not stating an opinion thats attacking someone with the hurtful saying of you not supporting your loved one in war. Thats not an opinion to me...how the hell can you say that...DUH

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you are right about what you said, but why is everything you say so cynical?

Because I'm a very cynical guy. And I'm only 17. Go figure.

As for marine, I was merely saying that you can't tell someone to shut up if they want to voice their opinion. I don't care if you think the opinion is wrong. It's an opinion, it can't be right or wrong. Duh.

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It is not your place to tell people to keep their opinions silent. I could very well tell you to keep your war-mongering to yourself. But I won't because I believe in the free speech soldiers have allegedly died for to keep free. Maybe you should too.

ah, you agian, ive missed you so! Its not about freedom of speech dear, when you accuse thoes whom support the troops of basically killing them and saying "im so happy your going!!" thats not using your freedom of speech correctly. I understand if you want to say, I dont support the war, I dont like Bush, I dont like you...but to accuse thoes who send their brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers to war of not really supporting them is a EXTREMELY offending comment, obviously you dont understand my point because you cannot relate...for thoes who can may understand. That was just a "stupid" off the top of your brain thing you know you shouldnt say outloud thing, and it was rude and wrong and theres no argument so stop with the 1st amendment bull****.

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Originally posted by Jookly:
democracy = people wearing stupid hats.

I'm sure that this comment somehow advanced this discussion, forgive me for not being able to see it.

But on another note, i've noticed a lot, especially around my home town, where they are extremely liberal, and all hate the war etc... when I was in uiform, it didn't matter that I dont decide to fight the wars, it didn't matter that I follow orders, it was my fault we were over there... then there were people trying to get me to talk trash about Bush and Co. While it's no secret that i dont agree with some of the stuff they do, it's not my place to comment on that kind of stuff. I'm glad that Marines brother came home in one piece, as opposed to a body bag, and I wish that all my friends could come home from the sand box. WE ALL DO, but we have a mission, whether or not we agree with the mission is inmaterial, we have to do it. Is the Iraq war a good thing? It depends on how you look at it,like all things, the loss of life sucks, but what we are going to gain by being there might be worth it in the long run.

democracy = people wearing stupid hats.

A soldiers job is to do what they are told, nobody is critising them, but people need to wake up and realise that the reason that people coming from the middle east target the west is due to the rampant imperialism which occured in the region since the demise of the Ottoman Empire (which had kept the region peaceful for 500 years), the arabs were betreyed in WW1 during the arab rebellion, promises were broken and the west moved in, as America replaced Britain as hegemon...so their imperialism continued to exploit the middle east and its people, it started as the front to a war, now the middle east has been thrown into its own wars...I openly critise America, and the West for its betrayel and ruthelessness towards those poor people, and as each American soldier dies, my feelings do not change, as long as they are there, as long as in some eyes the Americans are occupying their lands their deaths are legitimate, just as the deaths of any occupiers of American lands would be legitamte (remember when you were shooting redcoats?).

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I bet you all want to get rid of weapons and have peace and all that crap, well peace only comes through two ways, War and Negotiations and the negotiations have failed. We are the most hated country in te world, yet we are the most blessed and it really hurts me that people my own age hate and despise me and my friends that served overseas so that they could hate and despise us. You know when I came back from Iraq I was standing in an airport waiting to go home on leave. I was in my DCUs and you know what, lots of older people came up and hugged me and shook my hand and thanked me for fighting overseas, but not one younger person even said hello, in fact many of them went out of their way to avoid me.

Afghanistan and Iraq did not have weapons, and negotiations did not last a long time, nor were all alternatives exhausted, the US was to declare war on Iraq as soon as those planes hit the twin towers.

How exactly are you the most blessed country? that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard, the world doesnt just hate you, they pity you. (not my exact opinion)

as for the last thing I quoted, most young people do not see why soldiers are fighting overseas, whereas the older generations know more about what its like to be a soldier, the youth of this world is what promises so much, i just hope we can rid ourselfes of the old conservative, corrupt governments of today and replace them with progressive, young minded and compassionate leaders.

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Originally posted by samurai180:
Bush just bring home our troops FORGET U OustedPunk #$%@ U

That's not very nice. Anyway, responding to clpo13, you are right about what you said, but why is everything you say so cynical?

Bush just bring home our troops FORGET U OustedPunk #$%@ U

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Keep comments like that to yourself. Thankyou.

It is not your place to tell people to keep their opinions silent. I could very well tell you to keep your war-mongering to yourself. But I won't because I believe in the free speech soldiers have allegedly died for to keep free. Maybe you should too.

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How can you "support the troops" and yet still send them off to war? Seems to me if you really supported them you would want them to stay out of war, especially one that is based on lies.

Well its been awhile since ive posted. Hi everyone! Hope all are well. Actually my brother just came home from Iraq, serving 9 months in Fallujah as a US Marine. He just came home last night and it feels awesome! So thanks to everyone that have had many kind words these past several months, Ive really appriciated it.

Ok to respond to this, first off no one wants to send there loved ones to war, just because we support them doesnt mean we say "yah im so happy your over there!!!" not at all pal. Theres many things ive learned through being a part of a military family for about 3 1/2 years now...and one is that this is a man or womans choice A. to join our brilliant military, and B. knowing the consequence of possibly fighting in a war. If you cannot or are not willing to do that, you simply dont join. Many of our Men and Woman reservists in uniform have volunteered to go overseas. As for the Active duty, when u sign up as active you know your leaving, for somewhere. I have encountered many military personal in my life and may I say all that have come home serving one two or even three terms in Iraq are proud as hell, and woul d do it agian. Its not a question to "support" our military, it is a duty, and if u do not support them, then you spit on our country. Because they have kept your freedoms safe, and the freedoms of many all over the world safe as well. So we are not sending our military saying "whoohoo!", believe me his 9 month tour was something for my family and I that even though we will experience agian, we never want too, but he raised his hand and said "I will go" and as we are stateside we support with everything we can and send all of our love and most of all respect. If you dont understand that, then sit down with a military family, because believe me when I say this...Never post or say that to me or anyone else tied to the military or anyone who supports our troops for that matter, because you simply have no idea and may never have an idea of the jobs they are doing and the struggles we go through, but you will never feel the pride and respect we do either. Keep comments like that to yourself. Thankyou.

well, at the risk of bringing back a week-dead post, i have to say oustedpunx, I respect you for serving. I see both sides fighting each other over ideals, but you are the men and women we should really be focusing on. We send you guys out there to fight for those of us who don't, won't or can't. I may have my reservations about our government; I believe no matter where you go in this world, there will always be some corruption. But I still respect you for picking up a weapon, making yourself a real physical target day after day, putting your life on the line. It saddens me to see when the number of casualties rise, American or otherwise. I do not believe peace is only achieved through war and negotiation. I just believe we have yet to put truly respectable upright people in control of our world; and that statement is not directed expressly toward american government, but worldwide.

I know this is an old post but some of us could do well reading this by a first hand account.

That phrase musta gone over your head, bluesman. it's supporting them in the war.

How can you "support the troops" and yet still send them off to war? Seems to me if you really supported them you would want them to stay out of war, especially one that is based on lies.

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or is about oil

then what is it about? it certainly isnt about our freedom, because our freedom was never an issue, we would have had it whether or not Hussian was in power, however, i agree with sunsprite, i dont support the war in iraq, it is a stupid war, but our troops are the best, and they do need to be supported, with or not the war can be justified.

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It doesn't matter about peace right now. We all know peace is something we will never have.


Sort of off topic...oh well
Peace is something that you should NEVER give up on! If you give up on it then there is absolutely NO chance of peace. Saying that there is no way to have peace is if you think about it, sort of like an excuse saying war is ok.

I don't support the war in Iraq, but I think that EVERYONE should support our troops.