Originally posted by swimem511: That's right. Yall fought for our freedom. So, everyone has the right to say whatever they want about the war.
My thoughts exactly.
To the author (wherever he may be): I support the military. If we must have one to begin with, then I support those men and women (particularly because my boyfriend will be joining them this summer). But I do not necessarily support war in all cases. I do not really support it at all but I understand it's a necessary evil. I have no opinion on this war, to be honest, because I am a 16 year old girl living in a nice cozy house with no relatives fighting and far away from Iraq.
I am not ungrateful to you or any of your other fellow men in women. I am not un-American simply because I don't always support war. I thank you and others for fighting for my freedom.
But swim is right: By fighting, you defend our right to say what we want.
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If you don't like it get out of my country!!! I fought for your damn freedom, my father fought for your freedom and thousands of other men and women are doing the same as we speak
That's right. Yall fought for our freedom. So, everyone has the right to say whatever they want about the war.
Originally posted by BlkPanther: No one should fight for something they don't believe in. And there are plenty of military men and women who don't want to go to war because they don't believe in the cause
wow, thats an original post on youthnoise....never heard that one. (**rolls eyes**)
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
No one should fight for something they don't believe in. And there are plenty of military men and women who don't want to go to war because they don't believe in the cause
"Nothing is more dangerous in this world than sincere ignorance and conscienctious stupidity." (MLK)
military members are always defending our freedom. it may not be clear cut like someone attacking us while im typing this, but alot of countries are plotting our demise. and yes iraq under the power of saddam was always trying to kill us, under the radar that is. just because the media doesnt say anything about it doesnt make it not true. and do you have to be defending the homeland in order to be defending freedom? in WW2, since we went to europe, were we not defending our freedom from the nazis? i agree that we need to bring home the troops, but thats when the job is done. and egyptianqueen, your brother just wants bush out of office because he hates the fact that he made him live up to his oath. ive been to the middle east and i would do it again in a heart beat, i swore to it. anyone in the military should be willing to do the same at any instant. plain and simple.
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[/QUOTE]I hate adbusters. It's a way to advertise agaisnt advertisements... it's organizing a culture that preaches breaking with culture. Shouldn't people just come up with their own ideas instead of embracing the mainstream counterculture?[/QUOTE]
i can see how some people could view adbusters like that. following a "counterculture" but one person can't come up with all the ideas by themselves. it's about networking and respecting other people's ideas, sharing them, considering them, maybe like...oh i don't know...posting on youthnoise. pardon if i offend, but how exactly do you plan to start your one man revolution?
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I hear this "fighting for freedom" speech all the time when people talk about iraq. I don't understand how the troops in iraq are fighting for my freedom? Was my freedom ever in gone? Was it ever in danger? I dunno...that doesn't make sense to me. I thought we were "helping the iraq people" I dunno, my bro..dad and boyfriend are all Marines and they don't agree with this stupid war. My bro went to Kuwait and Iraq and told me to vote to get stupid bush out of office so he would never have to go again. Does that make him less American? I think it makes him brave to go fight for something he doesn't believe in. Interesting...I most definatly don't agree with the war...but I'm not mad at the soliders. I'm made at the bas*tard*s that put them in harms way.
*Opinions are like @$$holes...everybody's got one*
Defending the country by launching an assault? Seems odd... I didn't know Iraq had any plans to attack us in the near future. Look, I have nothing against our soldiers. I've thought about a military career in the past... until we attacked Iraq. I have a huge amount of respect for the members of the United States military. They risk their lives for our country. However, that said, I do not in any way support our involvement in Iraq. We are NOT defedning our homeland. Instead of holding the war against our soldiers, however, I hold it only against the politicians at the top. The ones who started this war. In my mind, the best way to support our troops would be to bring them home safely as soon as possible.
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don't u ppl read adbusters?
I hate adbusters. It's a way to advertise agaisnt advertisements... it's organizing a culture that preaches breaking with culture. Shouldn't people just come up with their own ideas instead of embracing the mainstream counterculture?
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thank you oustedpunx. its about time that someone stands up like i have and feels like i do. i too am a service member and people are always ridiculing me and my fellow soldiers and shipmates for doing what we do best....defending the country. like you i have older people all the time come up to me and thank me for the job im doing, yet younger people shun me and might as well stone me to death. young people need to realize that, like you said, freedom is not free. if you like wearing the clothes that you wear, having the house you do, eating the food you like. sit back and think of why you have that. what sacrifices did the men and women of this great country have to make to provide it? and then you question us about it. thats just b.s. what have you done for your country today? or ever? all i see is a bunch of whiney people complaining on an internet chat board about george bush this.....blah blah blah kerry would have just sat here with his tail between his legs and would have let saddam ram him.
Aviation Ordnance- Without us Naval Aviation is just another unscheduled airline!
The bottom line is this: we're in there and we aren't getting out for some time.
President Bush gets blamed and attacked for every bad thing that happens in this country. How quickly you all forget! Don't you remember the pictures that CNN and FOX News showed to the nation? There was little doubt in our minds that Saddam had amassed WMDs and, given his history and his rhetoric, that he would come after us. When Bush asked Congress for a resolution to go to war, Congress GAVE it to him. And it was not a vote on party lines. A GREAT majority of Congress approved. Democrats cannot talk about what Bush has done when their own party helped send us to war. It is tragic that we did not find WMDs there. Yet Democrats DID send mixed messages. They say that it is a good thing that Saddam Hussein is out of power, but at the same time, they blame President Bush for the war and what a terrible thing it is that America is "such an aggressor." Part of me wishes Kerry won, because then y'all would realize that Kerry can do no more than any administration. We are already in Iraq. Complaining is going to get nowhere. We can't leave Iraq hanging. We need to stay there and help the formation of their democracy. Would you prefer us to leave and then truly make the war pointless when new dictators arrive in the country? Or would you like to stay and cultivate a democracy and make the deaths of so many soldiers worth something?
Or would you just like to sit back like a crybaby and whine about how George W. Bush can't do anything right for the country. I can't believe you all even blamed him for the flu vaccine shortage! Bull <Expletive deleted>!!!
I have nothing against the soldiers. I mostly think of them as peole who believe in their country (even if I disagree I can respect that) people who had no options and joined the military never intending to fight and people who thought they were doing the right thing. I know that these people are going to see and do unimaginable things.
I disagree with the governments who are sending them for no real reason. They are the real enemies. They are willing to kill thousands of their own citizen for a political agenda.
They call this war a cloud over the land but they made the weather then they stand in the rain and say s*** it's rainin.
Most of us can't just LEAVE. I was born here and so were like...20 generations or something like that, but that doesn't mean we're forced to love the moron in the whitehouse.
Also, if all these immigrants are suddenly wanting to LEAVE our country, doesn't that mean there's a problem on OUR Part, MAKING them want to leave what was once the most wanted place to live on earth? Doesn't that say something about our country?
Member of the NDLC*, est. 2005 (National Democratic-Liberal Coalition)
It's not the soldiers we're "dissing". We're dissing the idiot who sent them. I myself visit this one soldiers' grave all the time at Arlington because he was only 19 or so when he died. It makes me want to cry everytime I see his gravestone.
You, as an American, should NEVER attack your fellow citizens like that. I'm sorry that there are people out there who are blaming this mess on you and your regim or whatever. But not everyone is. I certainly wouldn't what with family over there as well. Yes, a couple of my family members are in over in Iraq.
Again, please understand it is BUSH we hate, not the poor soldiers he's sent off to die.
Member of the NDLC*, est. 2005 (National Democratic-Liberal Coalition)
(Whiny Conservative)-----"""I am sick of people dissing this war just because it is killing people. there are other things (smoking, car crashes, diseases) that kill more people in less time than the war so far."""
(Khaybdis...or as I like to call him Special K)-----"""War kills people? Well, ****... here I was thinking that bombs were made of rainbows and bullets were gumdrops. Thanks for enlightening us all."""
LOL. Wow that's old, but he deserves recognition for that.
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quote:Originally posted by pandora03: It doesn't matter about peace right now. We all know peace is something we will never have. We may not have peace from the Middle East, but can we at least try in our own country. We still have racism here and poverty, crime and disease why are we so worried about how someone else runs their country. I do believe this war is about revenge and war. Bush hated Saddam and wanted to get back at him for trying to kill his father..
For about 4 years now, this war has not been about peace. When was the last time you heard Bush say "we are trying to establish peace in the Middle East?" Bush is at war for revenge.Oil isn't his "main" reason anymore. Like pandora03 said, Bush is trying to get Saddam back 4 trying to kill his father. And while he's getting his payback, 1000's of Americans and Iraqi's are dying, yet he continues to send mine and your family members over there.
I almost forgot to say I totally agree with whoever said if you don't like it leave. You had the free will to come here, if you don't like our country because yours is messed up and you thought it would be better, leave. I understand that life may suck wherever you came from, but you make life suck over here by trying to make it more like where you came from even though you hated it in the first place.
a noble cause is something that we do to help others. Even if they shoot at you or hurt you for no reason when you're helping them. It's like if you found an animal in a trap. You're trying to help it, but it mercilessly tries to bite at you, not realizing that you're actually helping it out. We need to respect our soldiers for all that they do. Because of our nation's status we're able to sit around like a bunch of idiots and discuss things that hardly any of us are trying to solve. Seriously. If we just go around protesting everything and get that feel good pat on the back "yay! I protested the war on terrorism" feeling that's just stupid. Talk and poster waving can only go so far. Everyone knows that people are against war. It's nothing new. Everyone knows that people are for war. It's nothing new. I joined this site b/c I thought it would be interesting to discuss things with people, but it's kind of hard to discuss things when people throw out random stuff out of anger. Here's my opinion: we should be doing what we're doing. We should be praying for our leaders. We should respect the soldiers and all of the people fighting in the ME because they're going in our place. Personally, I wouldn't enjoy fighting in the ME. I prefer to sit over here and type on my computer and work and have a some-what normal life. So I thank God that there are people willing to stand up and fight for what is right, even if it means being disrespected by people who disagree with their cause. There it goes. Go ahead and tear me apart for it. Call me stupid, religious, ignorant, whatever. I'm waiting...
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