This is not a debate thread this is for those of us in the military to talk about the military and for those of us not in the military (like me) but want to be, To talk about the militray and get advice on joining up from people who actually know what they're talking about and aren't recruiters.

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Rules for each U.S. Armed Service

-U.S. Marine Corps Rules:

Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.

Have a plan.

Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.

Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4." (That just shows good sense.)

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (lateral & diagonal preferred.)

Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

In 10 years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

-U.S. Navy SEALS Rules:

Look very cool in sunglasses.

Kill every living thing within view.

Adjust Speedo.

Check hair in mirror.

-U.S. Army Rangers Rules:

Walk in 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.

Locate individuals requiring killing.

Request permission via radio from "Higher" to perform killing.

Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.

Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

-U.S. Army Rules:

Select a new beret to wear.

Sew patches on right shoulder.

Change the color of beret you decide to wear.

-U.S. Air Force Rules:

Have a cocktail.

Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.

See what's on HBO.

Ask "what is a gunfight?"

Request more funding from Congress with a "killer" PowerPoint presentation.

Wine and dine 'key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.

Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.

Declare the assets "strategic" and never deploy them operationally.

Hurry to make 1345 tee-time.

-US Navy Rules:

Go to Sea.

Drink Coffee.

Deploy the Marines

-Sniper Rule:

One shot, one kill.

which is why we have infantry, sides if you get a catasptrofic kill their own mother wouldn't recognize what's left of them

still gotta kill whatever used to be inside them.

still as a ground pounder/USMCA wanna-be I like the idea of being able to call in a aircraft and break an armored advance in it's entirety

That type of armament (a B-1 carrying nothing but SFW) is highly unlikely but hey, it sounds like a good munition to me, however they are still classified as CBU's and the military is highly restricted as to where we can drop them..we might accidently kill a civilian that was riding in the tank you know.. *rolls eyes*

what do you think of the sensor fused wep Hyd? now the chairforce can take out 1200 tanks/various armored vehicles if they use a B-1 with all slots filled with SFWs

I'm baaaack

I was waiting for that to come online. I was wondering a few days ago what a difference modern CBUs would have made in WWII or Korea.

Holy Shit this is some hot stuff!

Brand new to the US arsenal is the SFW or Sensor Fused Weapon. This thing uses smart submunitions that enable one SFW to destroy 40 armored vehicles! An F-16 can carry four fo a total of 120 vehicles killed and if that's not enough carnage for you a B-1 can carry 30 enabling it to whipe out over 1200 tanks and armored vehicles! The Red Chinese can bring it on! with these things w can wipe out several armored divisions at once!

sure bro

amp, I'm outta here dude, keep the faith

Just a Jarhead Jodie

Momma, Momma Can't you see?
what this place is doing to me?
marching left and marching right
marine corps troopers day and night

mountains high and beaches low
ain't no place marines can't go
grasslands calm and seas rough
combat marines are fighting tough

sharp to the left and sharp to the right
combat soldiers back to the fight
plane in air or boat on sea
you may see each other but you won't see me

Recon, Recon where you be?
up in the air or down by the sea?
weapons loaded knives sharp
we gonna win cause we got heart

because in vietnam we were using very unmanuverable aircraft in the F-4, as well as short range missiles, and then using aircraft as bait for SAMs so that we could take them out with said F-4s hence the wild weasles.

But it doesn't reallyt matter anymore, most conventional ECMs dont matter anymore, hell and IRCMs they REALLY dont matter anymore, we live in a changing world, join the air force and learn about it

I'm curious to know what the Challenger 2's ability to take damage is. The M-1A2 is pretty well proven.

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and an awsome Active Radar guided missile, your going to win every air to air engagement, if someone upgraded a MiG-21 with a brand new missile and the avionics to support it, the MiG would kill anything with a lesser radar and missile. So the thought that stealth matters is only in the ground to air environme

Then please explain why our kill ratio went to $h-t in Vietnam. Although those were semi-active missiles, terminally-active missiles are no guarantee, not to mention TARH missiles are sometimes fired semi anyway.

True, in theory, a TARH should get the job done but they are not immune to ECM and other countermeasures and failure. Plus, part of the old Soviet strategy was quantity over quality. They built numerous cheap aircraft under the theory that that a couple guys might have to take one for the team but one or a few would get through and then you're done. Unfortunately that strategy worked to some extent which is why the N. Vietnamese accepted lopsided kill ratios.

I agree that you're much better off with a good radar and good missiles, but that's not the whole game and don't get complacent. If radar and missiles were all that were needed, we could turn 757s or B-1s into AAM trucks.

depends on the shells I would think, Sabots don't require spin from a rifled barrel so would likely be more accurate from a smoothbore than a rifled abrrel like the challengers

Challenger 2 is a great tank. While I agree nothing close to the M1A2, it could still dish out some pretty serious damage. Although, don't quote me, but I "Think" it has a higher top speed.

Quick question: does a rifled barrel make a tank's accuracy better? The Challenger has a rifled barrel and the Abrams has a smooth bore.

Challenger 2 has nothing on the US Army model of the M-1A2 dude maybe on the ones we give out to our allies (kuwiat for example) but nothing on a full scale M-1A2 with a proven american crew US Armored Cav freakin dominates

Here is a little hint to all of you about aircraft (take it from an expert on the subject)

Planes dont kill planes, missiles kill planes, radars kill planes, and jammers keep planes alive... the plane is just a platform to carry bombs, any other type of plane is only there to take out other planes (get the drift)?

So here's the deal, if you have an awsome radar, and an awsome Active Radar guided missile, your going to win every air to air engagement, if someone upgraded a MiG-21 with a brand new missile and the avionics to support it, the MiG would kill anything with a lesser radar and missile. So the thought that stealth matters is only in the ground to air environment.