DOES ISLAM PROMOTE TERRORISM?

Absolutely Not. Islam condemns all acts of oppression. Necessary force is permissible only when one is defending oneself, family, and right to practice his/her religion or fighting tyranny and oppression. Muslims who blow up buildings and kill innocent people are not acting in accordance with what Islam teaches.


im reading a lot on this board that people think Islam is a violent religion. This is the furthest from the truth. so i thought i'd help clarify a few things..

when people bash islam, saying our book is promoting hate and violence, they take their verses totally out of context. for example, islamaphobes always use 2:191 - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing."

if people would have paid attention the verse before that, 2:190 - And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

The Quran was revealed over a long stretch of time. when problems arose, God sent a resolution. At the time of these specific verses, muslims were being tortured and persecuted. the muslims never stuck back, they always turned the other cheek, because islam is PEACE. then, God instructed to defend themselves. by islamic law, we are not allowed to fight, unless attacked first.

also on a note, these are the rules, but it doesnt mean everyone follows them. just because a radical person claims he's a follower of islam, shouldnt reflect islam itself. thats like saying that all chrstians are white supremacists because of the KKK, thats BS right? same thing applies for islam. real followers of islam have nothing to do with these people, they give us all a bad reputation, and they mislead people and shine a negative light on islam.


The Correct Islaamic Position on Terrorism

"Killing and terrorizing innocent people and the destruction of property are not condoned by Islam. Attributing all these horrific incidents to Islam is unjust. Muslims should tell the truth and unveil falseness, and inform all people that Islam is a religion of righteousness, betterment and progress. Islam is the final revelation that Allah chose for humankind to guide it from darkness to light. Allah said: “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”

Our religion urges us to fulfill our obligations and prohibits us from abandoning such obligations. Allah said: “O you who believe! Fulfill your obligations.” The unjust killing of a human being in Islam is forbidden. Allah said: “And kill not anyone whom Allah has forbidden except for a just cause.”

Corruption on earth is considered a major sin in Islam. Allah said: “And of mankind there is he whose speech may please you in this worldly life, and he calls Allah to witness as to that which is in his heart, yet he is the most quarrelsome of the opponents. And when he turns away from you, his effort in the land is to make mischief therein and to destroy the crops and the cattle, and Allah likes not mischief. And when it is said to him ‘Fear Allah,’ he is led by arrogance to more crime. So enough for him is Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest.”
- Shaikh Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah Al-AsShaikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia"

Also, a major Sheikh of Islam, the respected Ibn Uthaymeen, heres a link to his rulings regarding terrorism, suicide, and the like. http://www.spubs.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ14&articleI...40007&articlePages=1


heres a video of a muslim speaking and answering questions about islam if anyone is truely interesting the the truth about our religion. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8888235112692728009

No. Everything will be abused. There are hundreds of examples. The internet is constantly abused but that doesnt mean we're better off without it. The news is constantly abused but nonetheless at least we still know what happening around the world. Same thing for alcohol, drugs, etc. There are examples just off the top of my head. Religion is abused, but the majority of believers do not abuse their religion. You have to look at the pro's and con's as in all scenarios. Christianity is abused by some but on the other look at people like Mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II, not to mention millions of faithful believers who abide by their religion. You realize although there are those who abuse religion, there are millions more who abide by their religion and by doing so live as good, or at least decent, people.

I will ask this again. If something is always going to be vastly abused wouldn't we be better off without it?

Without sounding like a know-it-all, I dont want to go too deep into this "evil" topic because we'ld end up in an even larger issue. Lets just assume that evil is a corrupt quality in itself, and not a dependent judgment subject to speculation. Also lets assume evil to be a natural occurance, and not associated to Nietzche's philosophy on good and evil.

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Religion gives people the idea that they have power

Not really. Most religions, at the core, aim to make people feel humble, powerless, and subservient. Any disobedience will be punished in the afterlife. If you are referring to people who justify they're power on relgion, or use religion to gain authority than we're back to my previous point of abuse. As for the

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thus creating evil

part that is incorrect. Evil is not created through a process. Especially not through the process you described. Evil is inherent. It might emerge from a process (meaning it was just hidden), but you cannot dispute the fact that it is part of human nature.

Under an atheistic view, it is more difficult for your arguement. Since relgion comes from humans, any evil associated or developed through religion, comes from humans as well. Evil, just like religion in this view, does not come from an independent force or existence, it comes from humans. With this in mind, relgion is not the cause/source, or primary cause/source, for evil.

Evil, in this sense, will emerge in any medium possible.

Your rephrasing is much better haha.

Actually when the Nazi's imprisoned the Polish, and sent them to compounds to live in, they carried out test to see which of the prisoners had german roots in their family. One test involved measuring a prisoners nose, if it was too large he/she would be sent to another group deemed inferior. Their fate wasnt much of a mystery. I actually saw a video about it a while back. They had this tool which looks like a wrench almost, and the tester would write signs on the prisoners shirt according to the measurement.

Religion gives people the idea that they have power, thus creating evil.

Religion comes from humans as well as evils. Religion does not come from some divine force. It is merely people's interpretation of morals, life and the after-life.

If there was no such thing as religion or money or power people would hate each other much less. There, I rephrased it better.

The Nazi's were trying to make a perfect race, so obviously they'll kill anyone who is not like them. They didn't kill the poles because their noses were 'big;' they slaughtered them for resistanting. Plus many jewish and catholic people lived in Poland at that time and they were the ones the Nazi's really were after. Not big noses... lol.

If people are always going to 'abuse' something wouldn't we be better off without it?

The source for the abuse isnt religion, religion is whats being abused. The source is the motive behind the abuse of religoin. There are several motives an indivual or group may have to manipulate religion. Power, greed, revenge. But in the end its not the religion but the human. This corruption and evil comes from the human.

Religion has the ability to mobolize the masses. That is why its abused so often. We've seen it through out history. The 7th commandment clearly states not to kill but the Pope Urban II not only made it excusable but glorified and rewardable by God. The Crusades was a fine example of how far manipulation can go.

[QUOTE] if there was no religion at all people would not have another reason to hate each other [/QUOTE?

Come on Wolfie, thats a little naive, its not like ur usual posts. People will always hate each other. Finest example is the Nazis killing Polish people because there noses were to big, not to mention anybody else who wasnt aryan, irregardless of their religion. People will always have their reasons, envy, jealosy, bigotry. The grass will always be greener on the other side, and it will always be a duty to capture that grassfield which rightfully belongs to us.

But the source for this abuse is religion... If humans were not such spiritual creatures they would not get so upset over it or even if there was no religion at all people would not have another reason to hate each other.

the three evils money, power and religion.

The irony of a religion, which preaches itself as a self-evident and absolute truth, is that it is very open to independent interpretations resulting in several and diverse altered and often opinionated truths. The original religion, its teachings, and practices are seldom seen unfortunatly.

Meaning, there are those who believe they should respect the religious rights of non-believers, while there are those who execute or forcefully convert non-believers in the name of the same religion.

In all monotheistic religions, judgement remains in the hands of the God. However, its not uncommon for texts, and at times a small sentence, to be interpreted in a way to place that judgement into the hands of people.

All in all, religions do not promote terrorism. Manipulation and abuse of religions is another issue.

Well, most religions say that we should convert non-believers or else they'll be eternally punished. This idea that their own God will punish the 'heretics' gives them reason enough to punish them on their own, hence 'terrorism.'

No, not really. But they do serve as good mediums for terrorism to spread in once manipulated.

Don't most religions promote terrorism?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dalecia:
DOES ISLAM PROMOTE TERRORISM?

Absolutely Not. Islam condemns all acts of oppression. Necessary force is permissible only when one is defending oneself, family, and right to practice his/her religion or fighting tyranny and oppression. Muslims who blow up buildings and kill innocent people are not acting in accordance with what Islam teaches.

^ agreed.

Very true! Thanks so much for posting this up! I also posted up an article, on a different website tho! Keep this stuff goin! Condemn terrorism

hey i have read many of the points on this topic and would like to give people the following link

http://indianmuslims.in/islam-muslims-and-terrorism/

this clearly discusses the topic

ok,
I'm a Muslim... and I've red alot about Islam "it's my religion" so, Islam never ever promote terror. and if any one wants to be sure about it you can read about Prophet Mohammed PBUH when he used to send his troops to war he used to tell them "Don't kill a woman, a kid, An old man and don't even cut a tree" and in Islam it's not allowed to any one to ignore the leader and if someone do he's oyt of the religion so... these ppl who are covering under the name of Islam to achieve their goals are already not Muslims and they're doing nothing but stealing lives... like any other murderer in the world.
Islam problem that none is following it right including myself, I'm not religious at all, but i know what's Islam. Prophet Mohamed said "i as sent to complete the right attitude" that includes respect human lives and saving it.
plz all don't judge a religion or a race regarding to a few.

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I have many frdns who follow islam.Its completely unture tht it promotes terrorism.

Not all Islamic groups promote terrorism however there are many that do. The groups that do promote terrorism will defend their actions and say that they are doing the will of God. So it is true that some versions of Islam promote terrorism.

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Alright, whatever. It sounds more like a universal want to me.

It is more than a universal want because we apply it not only to ourselves, but also to others basically we value our life and the life others. It is this valuing of the life of others that leads to a universal moral. For example we can condemn the actions of the VT shooter because he was killing innocent people. The universal moral would say that what he did was wrong.

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That's very true. God used people without telling them he used them, especially against Israel. It's simply one possible way to see it as right.

Even if God uses people without telling them you can’t say that what ever you do is the will of God. You could only claim that you were doing the will of their God if their God had commanded you to kill them. Saying that you are doing the will of God would never stand in court if you had broken a law and it also does not justify killing millions of people. Anyone can claim that they are doing the will of God. The question is are they really?

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Yep. Sucks, doesn't it? Thank goodess for some laws, right?

Yes that is why we have laws. So we can’t justify the killing of millions of Jews by saying that the strong was employing its personal freedom over the weaker. Of course that was what they were doing but that does not justify their actions.

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Well, genocide is generally frowned upon.

Genocide is more then just frowned upon. The international community will go to war over genocide. The world has taken a very strong position against genocide. My point was that slimming the population is not an accepted reason for killing millions of people.

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Not with that thought in mind, but it sure would get the point across.

So it would be okay if I had a different motivation? It would defiantly get the point across, but what if some people saw how much damage I had done and wanted to duplicate my actions?

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but what if the personal truth doesn't conflict the larger one?

If the personal truth does not contradict with the larger one then there is no problem. The problem would only arise when there are many different interpretations of truth that don’t agree with each other. You can’t deviate very far from the main truth without having the truths conflict.

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Because humans are idiots.

But if the religions are really part of God then they must be true, and the claims should be supported by God and not just made up by people. Because of this the religions should not contradict each other. If they are contradicting each other they can’t all be true.

I have many frdns who follow islam.Its completely unture tht it promotes terrorism.As everything has exceptions so does this...some of its followers have adopted "jehad" and have promoted the wrong meaning.It basically means to have peace n with the way things r taking shape thts neva gonna happen 4 sure.Its childish to expect tht the community will be treated normally like nothing ever happened.So the true muslims should stand up n speak out against the unjust staements being made ungaist them.

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So we have an Universal moral.

Alright, whatever. It sounds more like a universal want to me.

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But by that logic what ever you do to them is the will of their God

That's very true. God used people without telling them he used them, especially against Israel. It's simply one possible way to see it as right.

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Basically if everyone does what is right in their own eyes we have chaos, and we really have no right to condemn people.

Yep. Sucks, doesn't it? Thank goodess for some laws, right?

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If any type of slimming the population is good, then why shouldn’t people just go out and start gunning people down?

Well, genocide is generally frowned upon.

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Should I perform an act of nuclear terrorism to show latter generations that nuclear terrorism is wrong?

Not with that thought in mind, but it sure would get the point across.

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So if it is true that the sun is the center of the universe, the earth can’t be the center of the universe.

Well, of course you're right, but what if the personal truth doesn't conflict the larger one? It's just the shade supposing.

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If all religions are all part of God then why do the religions’ contradict each others claims?

Because humans are idiots.

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Because we all want to be safe.

Yes. So what I am saying is that we have an universal morale. We are valuing Human life and saying that it is important to protect Human life. So we have an Universal moral.

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What if I said yes to both those questions?

So what happened? If you don’t feel comfortable with this question then please don’t feel pressured to answer it. In any case I am sorry for you.

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It is right because it is caused by God.

But by that logic what ever you do to them is the will of their God. Basically you are claiming that if you kill them their God must want them killed. This really does not make any since. You could only claim that you are doing what their God wants if you had received a message from their God. You even said that the punishment was caused by their God, however if you are doing the action you need to have a direction of God to say that he was using you.

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was just them employing their personal freedoms (inflicted, of course, upon those weaker). Ah, there's another one. They're stronger, and the strong survive

This exactly what I was saying. If there is no higher moral system then the strong will just employ their personal freedoms over the personal freedoms of others. In this case that lack of morals lead to the German military murdering millions of Jews. This is not right because it violates our value of protecting innocent Human life. Basically if everyone does what is right in their own eyes we have chaos, and we really have no right to condemn people.

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Or one might say that it was good in the end because it helped slim the population.

If any type of slimming the population is good, then why shouldn’t people just go out and start gunning people down? We would condemn murder as wrong but according to what you just said it should be encouraged to lower the population of the earth. In this case we should allow the actions of people like the VT shooter and be thankful to him for the sacrifice he made to lower the population. This is insane clearly this type of action can not be accepted.

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Their actions were good after the fact because it taught (one would hope) us about the dangers of dictatorship and hate.

Now you are getting into positive side effects of a bad action. This is an ends justifies the means approach. It is okay to be evil because it shows other people why they should not do the same thing. Should I perform an act of nuclear terrorism to show latter generations that nuclear terrorism is wrong?

Where we are now we can’t condemn any behavior as wrong. Because we are saying that there really is not any right or wrong. However we still instinctively identify certain things as wrong which is one of the reasons that I am saying that there really is some type of Universal definition for what things are wrong.

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Aboslute truth? Yeah, I think there is one. But I also think there are a multitude of interpretations that are just as much truth as the "ultimate" one. It's related in my mind as is there one god? Well yes, there is the Source, but these gods, these pantheons, religons, are all facets of God, not any less truth, but just a portion of it. Sense?

This does not make sense because it is illogical. Something can’t be true and not true. This is the law of non-contradiction. So if it is true that the sun is the center of the universe, the earth can’t be the center of the universe.

If all religions are all part of God then why do the religions’ contradict each others claims?

Islam: there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is prophet.
Christianity: Jesus is the only way into the Kingdom of God
Pantheism: there are many Gods.
Buddhism: we must strive to be like the great Buddha, and those will be God like.

The claims of all these religions can’t be true because they contradict each other. Muhammad and Christ can’t both be the only way to God, but yet they both make that claim. And if there is no God but Allah, there can’t be many Gods. So by the definition of truth they can’t all be true. And once again the law of non-contradiction comes back into play.

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However why are we choosing these justifications?

That's a dumb question. Because we all want to be safe.

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Were you forced to convert? Or abused by a religious group?

What if I said yes to both those questions? But to clear something up, no one can make you believe something, they can make you spend every waking moment spending time on it.

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Can you say murdering millions of defenseless people in prison camps is acceptable?

Sure. I said I could justify it, didn't I? "My defense." I don't have one. But here's somethinkg someone could employ. Let's take a religous standpoint. God has deemed the Jews his people, and as such, he's constantly punishing and saving them. This is just another punishment. It is right because it is caused by God. Their leader (and surely some of them) truly believed they were superior, and this genocide seen disgraceful by the rest of the world was just them employing their personal freedoms (inflicted, of course, upon those weaker). Ah, there's another one. They're stronger, and the strong survive. Or one might say that it was good in the end because it helped slim the population. Their actions were good after the fact because it taught (one would hope) us about the dangers of dictatorship and hate. Those are pretty basic and one dimentional. Now if you want to believe that any of those are my personal opinions, go ahead. I can also argue for the other side.

Aboslute truth? Yeah, I think there is one. But I also think there are a multitude of interpretations that are just as much truth as the "ultimate" one. It's related in my mind as is there one god? Well yes, there is the Source, but these gods, these pantheons, religons, are all facets of God, not any less truth, but just a portion of it. Sense?