Crap, I knew I should have put a disclaimer in there before I got followers.

*worships the spaghetti monster*

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And I say that all religions are false except Pastafarianism. Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster is worthy of worship.

Hell yes! complex carbohydrate gods for the win!

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We believe in the whole bible but i think you need to start going to bible study if at all you want understand christianity.

I was Christian for 16 years. And even now I learn all I can about religion. I think I know what I'm talking about. Perhaps you should go to a Qu'ran study if you want to understand Islam.

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i mean you saw what happened coz of cartoons ?

What part of extremist don't you understand? There are Christians who bomb abortion clinics, yet not everyone sees Christianity as violent. You need to understand that extremists are a fringe group in Islam, and they're the ones who cause trouble. The media tends to focus on trouble, which is why you only hear about violent parts of Islam, even though the majority of the 1.4 billion Muslims on this planet are moderates, who abhor senseless violence as much as moderate Christians. And that's true whether you believe me or not, isn't it now?

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Let me finish this by saying that there is only one true God and his son Jesus is the only one who can save you, not buddha,scientology,islam or any other religion coz they are all false.

And I say that all religions are false except Pastafarianism. Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster is worthy of worship. Now, want to try and prove me wrong?

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Let me finish this by saying that there is only one true God and his son Jesus is the only one who can save you, not buddha,scientology,islam or any other religion coz they are all false.

I went to my Uncles church and they kept saying this. I got up and left. If you can't respect other peoples beliefs I refuse to repect yours.

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Now Pat Robertson is no extremist

Okay Pat Robertson isn't an extremist *cough* so is *cough* but how about Ted Haggard (bad example), or Doctor Dobson of Focus on the Family?

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I don't get it. Christians sure like to say they are peaceful, but they certainly don't act like it, since they're constantly stirring shit up (The exact opposite of peace).

and don't even mention that whole "let he who is with out sin cast the first stone thing"... I mean they talk about following jesus and they don't pay attention to some of the most basic stuff he said?

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And you r right about the ayatollah being an extremist but Islam remains the way it is(violent) whether you wanna believe me or not i mean you saw what happened coz of cartoons ?

I saw what happened. It was the reaction of extremists. If you react to something like that in a violent manner, you're an extremist. There's no question about it.

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We believe in the whole bible but i think you need to start going to bible study if at all you want understand christianity.

I understand Christianity, as I was born and raised Methodist. I left my faith because of other Christians like you. It's not in my blood to hate or disrespect another person's beliefs. If I'm going to Hell for that, then too bad.

Anyway, your Christian allies who come to this site have made it clear many, many times that they do not follow the old testament, and that they aren't supposed to. I'm only going by what hardcore, bible-thumping, churchgoing christians have said. Either way, if a Muslim wants to disregard all the violent parts (as most do) of the Quran, then goddammit, let them.

Also, if you're supposed to believe the whole Old Testament as well, then Christianity is violent too. (Everytime I bring up this point, this is the part where most say they don't follow the Old Testament. Odd.)

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You should read surah 9; 35 of the Koran too.

There's no point. I could easily bring up a quote from the Quran that said something along that lines of "To kill a man is to kill all of mankind, to save a man is to save all of mankind." Just like in the Bible, the Quran has conflicting, confusing, and contradicting parts to it. It's all about how one interprets them. Anyway, you're Christian. Your opinions on Islam are just as valid as an atheist's opinion on Christianity.

See that? See how I used my amazing intellect to make you like an even bigger hypocrite? Awesome, huh?

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PS; Why the name earthgoddess? You have some form of superiority complex.

When I was 15 and I thought being Pagan was the cool thing to be, I just grabbed that name from no where and stuck with it. I hate it now. And yes, I do have a superiority complex. Just like
Christians who think they're better than Muslims.

Oh, Snap! I did it again!

I don't get it. Christians sure like to say they are peaceful, but they certainly don't act like it, since they're constantly stirring shit up (The exact opposite of peace).

Now Pat Robertson is no extremist n u should watch the 700 club alot more often before you say such things. Let me finish this by saying that there is only one true God and his son Jesus is the only one who can save you, not buddha,scientology,islam or any other religion coz they are all false. Now slewinca salvation is obtained by confessing ones sins and asking Jesus to forgive and thats it. You then turn from your sinful ways and start living like he did. Now the crusades and witch trials would not have happened if the perpetrators had an understanding of who Jesus christ really was i mean the kkk went to church but had they embraced salvation through Jesus Christ ? And am also against that hate muslims day thing coz Jesus is all about love i mean he died for you??????? Now the death penalty isnt something am for but it is written in the bible that if you kill by the sword you will die by the sword coz thats just how the world is but God will still forgive you even if you are on death row. Even Osama can receive salvation through christ if he believes.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:


[QUOTE] Christans are allowed to disregard the first half of the bible and pick and choose what they want to believe or disbelieve. Yet, Muslims can't disregard parts of the Quran? Hypocracy, anyone

Am telling you for the last time that we live in the post Jesus era so the law of Moses doesnt apply i mean why do you think the Jews had him cucified?? coz he didnt follow the eye for an eye law ok. Jesus came and died for everyone so that we may receive grace and not be subject to the harsh law. Thats why he said it doesnt matter how many time one wrongs you as long as you forgive them each time. If we ignored the old testament why didnt we just have it scrapped then. We believe in the whole bible but i think you need to start going to bible study if at all you want understand christianity. You should read surah 9; 35 of the Koran too. And you r right about the ayatollah being an extremist but Islam remains the way it is(violent) whether you wanna believe me or not i mean you saw what happened coz of cartoons ?

PS; Why the name earthgoddess? You have some form of superiority complex.

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Man, what is this, "Hate All Muslims Day"? Check out this news article:
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/radio-hoax-exposes...20061202154609990001

oh good god, i pray nobody on this forum believes Muslims in the US should be seperated!? i always wondered what kind of mind caused the holocaust, now i see....this is the sickest thing i have ever read, thanks for bringing it to attention.

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On Islam let me just quote the Ayatollah Khameni of Iran "The greatest joy in Islam is to kill for Allah or to be killed for Allah"

Quoting Khomeini on Islam is like quoting Pat Robertson on Christianity. You don't go to the extremist fringe when talking about a religion. Their beliefs are not representative of the mainstream religion. Moderate Islam is as against killing as moderate Christianity is. Maybe you should, oh I don't know, look these things up?

Good link, by the way, Slewinca. Pretty interesting.

Man, what is this, "Hate All Muslims Day"? Check out this news article:
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/radio-hoax-exposes...20061202154609990001

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If you were found committing adultery both of you would be killed and such harsh punishments were in place for many crimes

You're against the death penalty then, right?

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The law of Moses was the one with harsh punishments but Jesus introduced grace so that whatever mistakes you make you can be forgiven if you simply ask him to and he wont even remember your sin once he forgives you.

You say "the law of Moses" like he was the guy who wrote it all up...
OK, now I'm a Jew, and from all that I've gathered from studying it, those who truly and whole-heartedly repent and change their ways are also given grace. I am a bit perplexed by the idea of being forgiven for all your sins just by believing in J.C., and not by actually facing up to the sins you've committed and commiting yourself to changing your ways. It seems to me that it may encourage people to sin if they think to themselves "Jesus will forgive me for all!" Of course, I'm not an expert on Christianity, so that's just my opinion. If you find it offensive, I apologize.

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On Islam let me just quote the Ayatollah Khameni of Iran "The greatest joy in Islam is to kill for Allah or to be killed for Allah"

EarthGoddess is right, and as I've said many times, you shouldn't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a select few (be they Muslims or animal rights activists).
Also, it is not like Christianity has had a completely peaceful history, that they have not killed people in the name of the religion. What about the crusades, the witch trials, etc.?
I've noticed that the three major religions of today (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) have all gone through a violent period. Heck, even Judaism went through a period of killing other peoples who didn't share the same beliefs (it's recorded in the Bible), and Christianity did too. It seems to me that Islam; the youngest of the three religions, is only just now going through this period (forgive me if my knowledge of Islamic history is flawed), so hopefully, this too shall pass.
Despite all the violence, you cannot really say that the religions themselves are violent, as they all have the same hope and mission for peace. It's not the religion that's violent, it's the person who distorts it. So please don't single out Islam, it's not really all that different from the other religions.

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On Islam let me just quote the Ayatollah Khameni of Iran "The greatest joy in Islam is to kill for Allah or to be killed for Allah"

Quick question, is he an extremist?

My problem here is, that the whole point of this thread was to diss Islam and make Christianity look better in comparison. That is fucked up, disrespectful, and it's not going to gain you any friendships. I've known Muslims in my lifetime and they would completely disagree with that guy. The Ayatollah Khameni doesn't speak for all Muslims, just as the Pope doesn't speak for all Christians. Christans are allowed to disregard the first half of the bible and pick and choose what they want to believe or disbelieve. Yet, Muslims can't disregard parts of the Quran? Hypocracy, anyone?

Anyway, all religons have had their share of problems, including Christianity. The only religion I can think of that is peaceful is Hinduism. I could be wrong, but I've never heard of anyone killed in the name of Krishna. Pagan they may be, but they're still more peaceful than most. And if we're going to judge people based on the peacefulness of their religions, then let's all put the Hindus on a pedestal, and worship and admire their non-violent ways. (Sarcasm)

Now earthgoddess why do you claim to know so much about christianity when you know very little. In the old testament before Jesus came things were very harsh. If you were found committing adultery both of you would be killed and such harsh punishments were in place for many crimes. But when Jesus came he introduced the aspect of grace. Remember when the pharisees took a prostituite to Jesus asking him to help stone the woman to death. Jesus said that among the people there whoever had no sin should cast the first stone. Well the story ended with no stones thrown. The law of Moses was the one with harsh punishments but Jesus introduced grace so that whatever mistakes you make you can be forgiven if you simply ask him to and he wont even remember your sin once he forgives you. Not everyone who claims to be a christian actually is and this explains the crusades for Jesus would never advocate for anyone to kill in his name for when Peter chopped of the ear of a Roman soldier as they were about to arrrest Jesus, Jesus rebuked Peter and put back the soldiers ear before the soldiers took Jesus away and crucified him. On Islam let me just quote the Ayatollah Khameni of Iran "The greatest joy in Islam is to kill for Allah or to be killed for Allah"

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Originally posted by wookiemlm:
I am sick and tired of ppl telling me on the news that Islam is a "peacefull" religion that is stupid. I have read the koran and there is alot of stuff in there that would obviously suggest to someone that Islam is not a peacefull religion. What do you think???

Some people on these boards just keep getting more racist and Islamophobic everyday. People need to start expanding their horizons a little. How many Muslims do you even know? How many Muslim friends do you have? How many do you interact with on a daily basis? If the answer is close to zero then you should really change that before you make judgements about people, let alone an entire religion.

-Brian

Christians and Jews had their field days hundreds and thousands of years ago. The Jews persecuted non-Christians and went on holy wars against other cultures, invading and taking the land for their own (Canaan, anyone?). Christians were no better, waging a rather large number of crusades against the Muslims in and around Jerusalem, the "Holy Land," in other words.

The only difference is that radical Islam is doing that now. When Christianity was wallowing in the dark ages, persecuting anyone who thought differently, Islam was inventing calculus, astronomy, modern medicine, and a whole host of other rather enlightened concepts. Now the roles are reversed. It's the mainly Christianized West that's doing the inventing, while Islam seems to be stuck in the past. It's a rather broad generalization, but it tends to hold. Islam is a way of life, so it's harder to change to fit today's world, as opposed to Christianity, which is merely a religion. It's also interesting to note that some Jewish sects likewise seem stuck in the past. Judaism is more than just a religion as well, so it shouldn't be hard to draw parallels between the two.

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Even Christianity (the ones who blow up abortion clinics and rail against the "evil" gays)

It's not just Christians. It's pro-life extremists. If you really get down to it, I bet you could also find Islamic pro-life extremists.

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It just so happens that the radical elements of religion are more vocal than the more moderate

I'm not stupid. Of course the radical is more vocal than moderates. But, back to my question. Do you see Jews and Christians killing people, parading them through the streets screaming "allah ackbar"? I don't. and please don't bring up Christians bombing abortion clinics, that's a pro-life movement that anyone can be a part of. and yes, I do know that moderate Moslems find terroristic attacks dispicable, Being so ignorant, I've actually talked to quite a few, so please don't give me that crap.

My God, are you that ignorant? Islam does not condone such acts of violence. But every religion has its small group of zealots. Even Christianity (the ones who blow up abortion clinics and rail against the "evil" gays). It just so happens that the radical elements of religion are more vocal than the more moderate, which is why you only hear of the intolerant fundamentalists in Islam. But I assure you, there are moderates who find terroristic Islam just as despicable as you or I.

toughshorty, Being a Jew, I thank you for the good laugh. But yes, Israelite : Hebrew : Jewish. Christianity does not follow the Old Testament, in fact, the jews don't either. We mostly listen to something called the Talmud which interprets the Torah for us. Yes, I do agree that the Old Testament has a lot of violence, such as sacking of entire cities. But the main point is who is doing the violence NOW? I don't see Christians beheading Moslems just because they are "infidels". Do you? I don't see Christians screaming "Allah Ackbar" as they parade burned and mutilated corpses through the street. Do you see Christians blowing themselves up in Pizzarias to kill Jews in the name of God? I'm sorry but they are stuck in a fifteenth century mindset where you kill in the name of God. Christians and Jews are past that. Islam is not.

may not be i'll have to look it up