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Picture of ampmaster
Registered: February 22, 2004
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wrong my dear dr.TS actually the christians do not follow the old testament we use it as a teaching supplement to remind us what came before our savior well saved us. the God of the new covenant (the one made by the blood of Jesus) is no longer the God of smiting and all the various old testament stuff God is a God of compassion and forgiveness and we follow the rules laid out by his Son whom we call Messiah. So we don't follow Hebrew Law as set out by Moses (the eye for an eye, justice/revenge deal) as it was invalidated by the laws given to us by The Son of God


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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Violence in the old testament-well considering the number of times the information has been 'altered' for the wrong purposes/reasons, it is not surprising that the interpretation of it can be miscalculated.
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Registered: February 10, 2006
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ummm not really, hebrew= the root of about a million religions. You can trace all sorts of religions back to the old testament. But whatevs... it seriously doesn't matter

The point is that there is violence in the old testament, and christianity follows it. So I don't care where it originated


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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hebrew=jewish


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: February 10, 2006
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Actually Hydro, for you to be entirely correct, the old testament is originally hebrew, and the Koran is jewish. And christianity is based on both testaments.

Clpo is exactly correct. Way to be, I second your argument.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Fundamentalist Christianity merely advocates the deaths of homosexuals and non-Christians. A sterling example of peacefulness right there.

Religions such as Christianity and Islam are, in purest form, peaceful (love thy neighbor, give alms to the poor, etc.). Fundamentalists in both religions twist it into something dangerous. And in that respect, no religion is peaceful. Religious extremists are more dangerous than the most insane dictator.


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Registered: August 14, 2004
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well the old testiment is actually jewish, so that kinda throws out that part.


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Registered: February 10, 2006
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I would say that the only truly peaceful religon is Buddhism... b/c when they are mad they don't attack someone else, they just burn themselves. LOL

k, more to the point. The only way you can say christianity is peaceful is if you've never heard of the crusades or the old testament.


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Registered: March 20, 2006
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Are you telling me that Christianity is a peaceful religion?
It's possible to make a point that every major war has been caused by religion. You wanna chose a peaceful path? Be an atheist.

Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.


compared to islam, Chritianity IS peaceful.


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Registered: March 20, 2006
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Originally posted by wookiemlm:
Ok its been a long time since i have done a board and i know how much everybody loves my boards so i thought i would make a new one.Here it goes.

I am sick and tired of ppl telling me on the news that Islam is a "peacefull" religion that is stupid. I have read the koran and there is alot of stuff in there that would obviously suggest to someone that Islam is not a peacefull religion. What do you think???


Are you telling me that Christianity is a peaceful religion?
It's possible to make a point that every major war has been caused by religion. You wanna chose a peaceful path? Be an atheist.


Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
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Registered: January 15, 2006
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From that link you put up, it also looks like Pat Robertson is a complete moron.


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Registered: December 14, 2003
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It looks like Pat Robertson agrees with wookiemlm:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_on_re_us/robertson_islam


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Registered: March 14, 2006
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wookiemlm - You claim that you have read the Quran(the Holy book of Islam.) If this is true, I applaud you for actually doing your own research rather than simply buying into the assumptions or rather mis understandings/mis interpretations often portrayed about the religion.

BUT I too have read segments of the Quran and well my interpretation slightly differs from that of yours. Can you provide a solid example of something from the Quran which would lead one to believe that it is not a peaceful religion?? What exactly did you read from the Quran that made you feel this way??

You claim you have read the quran and are sick of people telling you that Islam is a peaceful religion. You claim that you have found something in the quranic text which suggests to you, that Islam is not a peaceful religion.

Can you be a bit more specific and provide an accurate exampe of your findings?
Thanks
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Indeed northstar316. Interpretation... Smile
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Registered: October 06, 2004
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Originally posted by Lucpol:
The Koran (Holy Book) does in fact state that all races are equal!This would therefore imply that it is not violent.On the other hand many fail to mention that point and relate/use the religion, in order to incite to violence, the uneducated majority. The key lies in interpretation. Smile


That's because the islamic states cover a wide bredth of people, from indians, germans, and moors. Therefore, the true equality comes not from being of one master race but of one faith.


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The Koran (Holy Book) does in fact state that all races are equal!This would therefore imply that it is not violent.On the other hand many fail to mention that point and relate/use the religion, in order to incite to violence, the uneducated majority. The key lies in interpretation. Smile
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Registered: October 19, 2005
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Death to those who say Islam is violent!


my my, aren't you being peaceful. The Koran is not necessarily violent but some of the other "holy" books that interpret it make it seem violent.


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Registered: May 29, 2005
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Death to those who say Islam is violent!


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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The break in Muslim and Christian thinking is that they are two diffrent faiths (though the same fundamentally) they are both based off of Judeism, each led by a powerful holy man (Chirst the Messiah and The Seal of the Prophets Mohammed) both of these men taught diffrent things Christ a highly compassionate phiolsphy of salvation with a God of Love while Mohammed taught a more solid old testament style God of Justice and the very serious rules therein


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: January 22, 2005
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This is all to do with the break in Muslim and Christian thinking that happened because of Aristotles egg, which I can't be bothered to post about now.


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