One of my own kind. lol You are so funny sometimes. You and the whole coalition really make me laugh. No, seriously. You do. What is my kind Red? Tell me... liberal isn't it. I don't think I ever said what "my kind" is.

I guess it really amazes you that anyone else can think differently than the "mainstream"?

If you don't believe the websites that I have posted that's fine. This is AMERICA a free country last time I checked, so don't poop your pull ups everytime you don't agree with me. Then again, go ahead, that's a funny picture of you in my head.

"you will not stop until you have one of your own kind in office.
as my fellow coalition members have stated in your 911 cover up board, you have no proof for your accusations. we await proof until then you are some liberal idiot w/o a purpose save blame bush for false things."

I may not have PROOF of "my" accusations, but you don't have any proof that they are wrong either.

Amen.

"Perhaps I ws not clear in what I meant about fighting the insurgents. Of course our troops need to fight back and defend themselves, but the problem is is that when we kill an insurgent we kill an Iraqi, breeding more hatred against the Occupation. We will at some point have to let the Iraqis out from under our wing, and perhaps they will establish a tyrranical regime despite our "democratic" safeguards we have put in place. And yes, of course the Iraqis will be able to elect new members to the governing council eventually, but right now an non-elected group is making decisions about the fate of the nation. That isn't democratic. Rousseauvian maybe, but not democratic."

no we dont kill an Iraqi. we kill a terrorist that has pitted himself against any sense and reason. The Iraqis need to get used to the democracy before actually being able to control it. But come January 2005, they will be able to vote in whoever they want. We wil let them out from under our wing. But i still think we need to keep a presence there after the June 30 power handover.


"It is hurting America because the continued occupation of Iraq is fostering anti-American "Imperialism" sentiment in the Middle East; it's a reason for terrorists to strike at us. According to your logic, Saddam killing his people MAYhave lead to terrorist attacks against us. That doesn't make sense! Saddams system worked to some degree in that it held Iraq together, but you can't just bring democracy to people, peace hungry as they may be. They have no foundation for it, the move to democracy is not "natural" and democracy will fail. Look what has become of African "democracies". They now have dictators in control of them. Whats to stop this from happening in Iraq? More fighting by the US? Our men and women are dying for an abstract ideal!"

ya he held the country together by fear and oppression. that is not country stability that is fear adn tyranny. I still dont understand it. You are saying we should have left Iraq alone and let Saddam keep killing people?! THAT doesnt make sense. The fight to destabilize terrorism is far from abstract. Those African democracies were not guided by the US that is not a fair example. if they do not want u sin there then they can boot us out June 30. still i believe we should keep a prescence there.

this post has been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine 16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican and tehir endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.

quote:

---

On December 7th, 1941, the Japanese air force "supprise" attacked Pearl Harbor, right? Wrong. The U.S. government was 100% aware of what was going to happen, but did nothing, all so they could have an excuse to bomb the hell out of a few countries and rear it's ugly head into the buisness of strangers.

---

How ignorant can people get? The US gov't was NOT "100%" aware of the Pearl Harbor attacks. The Japanese were sending codes to the US that we tried to break. Some people had *guessed* that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked. But nobody knew for sure. So don't go around saying dumb crap like that.

Oh come now redrepublican, that was merely in jest! Of course I realized what you meant by the "red" in your moniker. Incompotent am I? A personal attack! Come let's keep this civilized!

"If they don’t like the governing council then they can change it in the first elections of the sovereign and DEMOCRATIC Iraq nation. IF we don’t fight the insurgents, our soldiers will get picked off and the insurgents will raise some tyrannical regime that would dictate the fortune of Iraq."

Perhaps I ws not clear in what I meant about fighting the insurgents. Of course our troops need to fight back and defend themselves, but the problem is is that when we kill an insurgent we kill an Iraqi, breeding more hatred against the Occupation. We will at some point have to let the Iraqis out from under our wing, and perhaps they will establish a tyrranical regime despite our "democratic" safeguards we have put in place. And yes, of course the Iraqis will be able to elect new members to the governing council eventually, but right now an non-elected group is making decisions about the fate of the nation. That isn't democratic. Rousseauvian maybe, but not democratic.

"HOW THE HELL IS IT HURTING AMERICA? If we didn’t take Saddam out he would have killed more of his people and we may have had another terrorist attack. So you’re saying we should have just left Saddam in power? It is obvious that his system didn’t work and looked at the democratic system! A system that boats such countries as the US and Great Britannia. IF we can bring a democracy to a peace hungry country, it will be one of the first steps to the takedown of terrorism."

It is hurting America because the continued occupation of Iraq is fostering anti-American "Imperialism" sentiment in the Middle East; it's a reason for terrorists to strike at us. According to your logic, Saddam killing his people MAYhave lead to terrorist attacks against us. That doesn't make sense! Saddams system worked to some degree in that it held Iraq together, but you can't just bring democracy to people, peace hungry as they may be. They have no foundation for it, the move to democracy is not "natural" and democracy will fail. Look what has become of African "democracies". They now have dictators in control of them. Whats to stop this from happening in Iraq? More fighting by the US? Our men and women are dying for an abstract ideal!

"The NY Times is not a valid source. They are extremely liberally slanted. They have run a story on the prisoner abuse situation every day except 6 since the story broke. Nick Berg-one day. Seven suspected terrorists-page 16A. And how many stories run about schools, buildings, and other infrastructure being rebuilt in Iraq?!? Zero. They have no credibility."

Thank you Bill O'Reilly, you seem to have possessed Bushsupporter, and are spouting your jargon.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Iraqi freedom is bought by American lives...

jazzey you dont know what the hell you are talking about.
your "real" answers is just some corn fed crack pot excuse to blame Bush for somthing. you refuse to believe the fact that a republican can do good. you will not stop until you have one of your own kind in office.
as my fellow coalition members have stated in your 911 cover up board, you have no proof for your accusations. we await proof until then you are some liberal idiot w/o a purpose save blame bush for false things.

this post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsuporter Marine 16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redreopublican and their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.

Hey. Look at the links that JoeyDauben and I have posted. It'll give you some other idea of what's actually going on. Just to warn you, the "coalition" will try to ream you out if you hold any other opinion than their own. If you just refuse to argue with them you won't have to curse any of them out. Just let them rant.

I must give my admiration to none other than red. He has single-handedly fought off you hordes and made you all look like complete and utter fools, nothing more. He is right-about everything. I would like wicked to provide me with a source saying that "thousands" of civilians have been killed by the Great America. He won't because it doesn't exist. I can provide proof as to the THOUSANDS that Saddam killed. I would also like proof as to The Great America knowingly allowing 9/11 to happen. He won't because it doesn't. Yes, the poeple have asked for our help in overthrowing the insane leader they once had in the past. This was about our security and the security of our allies.

And do you not think that we should have gone into WWII and stop the genocide of 5+ MILLION people?!?! That is ridiculous. You have lost all credibility with your psychotic and incoherant rant in response to Red's coherent and valid post. Until I am given proof from you, you will be treated with disgrace and ridicule.


The NY Times is not a valid source. They are extremely liberally slanted. They have run a story on the prisoner abuse situation every day except 6 since the story broke. Nick Berg-one day. Seven suspected terrorists-page 16A. And how many stories run about schools, buildings, and other infrastructure being rebuilt in Iraq?!? Zero. They have no credibility.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

“First off, I must make one joke. REDrepublican? RED??? Or are you a commie?”

red blooded republican which means a Red blooded American. Must I drag this out for those who are too incompetent to understand names?


”But anyway, the Iraqis are in trouble now because of what we did, namely invade their country. According to the New York Times today, power production in all of Iraq is at 4000 megawatts. We promised 6000 megawatts by May 2004. Under Saddam 4,500 megawatts were being produced. Now I'm not saying Saddam was better than the US, but this war was not thought over; it doesn't seem as if the US can really manage a country! We're losing support from the Shiites, and the Kurds are becoming restless regarding their autonomy. Iraqis are unhappy with the U.S. appointed governing council, as it was not elected. Iraq is going to pot, and what are we doing? Ridding them of insurgents? Painting their schools? Building clinics? The more we fight the insurgents the worse it'll get because we will kill more and more Iraqis.”

Well I would expect the New York Times to say something like that. Its super liberal media. If they don’t like the governing council then they can change it in the first elections of the sovereign and DEMOCRATIC Iraq nation. IF we don’t fight the insurgents, our soldiers will get picked off and the insurgents will raise some tyrannical regime that would dictate the fortune of Iraq.

”This war is not protecting America somehow. It seems as if it is hurting it. We are viewed as bullies who try to impose Jeffersonian democracy on a people with no base for such a system. You can't simply graft a political system onto a people from a different country, let alone a radically different culture. Baron de Montesquieu realized this as did Voltaire, two of the most important political theorists of all time. Russia is an example of this. An american style system isn't working there, to get ahead you need family ties to people at the top. The police are corrupt, it's hard to make it. Don't come at me with "You have no idea what you're talking about"; I lived in Russia for four and a half months, I've seen it first hand. Iraq is a mess, we need to pull out of this mess of Neo-Con ideals right now.”

HOW THE HELL IS IT HURTING AMERICA? If we didn’t take Saddam out he would have killed more of his people and we may have had another terrorist attack. So you’re saying we should have just left Saddam in power? It is obvious that his system didn’t work and looked at the democratic system! A system that boats such countries as the US and Great Britannia. IF we can bring a democracy to a peace hungry country, it will be one of the first steps to the takedown of terrorism.
the russian thing well obviously communism didnt work there either if it lead to economic collapse. (of course Reagen was also another main factor of that too.)

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

First off, I must make one joke. REDrepublican? RED??? Or are you a commie?

But anyway, the Iraqis are in trouble now because of what we did, namely invade their country. According to the New York Times today, power production in all of Iraq is at 4000 megawatts. We promised 6000 megawatts by May 2004. Under Saddam 4,500 megawatts were being produced. Now I'm not saying Saddam was better than the US, but this war was not thought over; it doesn't seem as if the US can really manage a country! We're losing support from the Shiites, and the Kurds are becoming restless regarding their autonomy. Iraqis are unhappy with the U.S. appointed governing council, as it was not elected. Iraq is going to pot, and what are we doing? Ridding them of insurgents? Painting their schools? Building clinics? The more we fight the insurgents the worse it'll get because we will kill more and more Iraqis.
This war is not protecting America somehow. It seems as if it is hurting it. We are viewed as bullies who try to impose Jeffersonian democracy on a people with no base for such a system. You can't simply graft a political system onto a people from a different country, let alone a radically different culture. Baron de Montesquieu realized this as did Voltaire, two of the most important political theorists of all time. Russia is an example of this. An american style system isn't working there, to get ahead you need family ties to people at the top. The police are corrupt, it's hard to make it. Don't come at me with "You have no idea what you're talking about"; I lived in Russia for four and a half months, I've seen it first hand. Iraq is a mess, we need to pull out of this mess of Neo-Con ideals right now.

John Kerry for president!
Eat that republicans...

SIGH

At war with the entire middle east? Wow, I had no idea. I had no idea Iarq was the entire middle east. That is absolutley amazing. We must notify all the geography textbooks so they can make this change to their maps. I had no idea Afghanistan was in the middle east.

Next time, make a true statement. Don't lie.

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

and its fair to leave a tyrannical dictator in power and enslaves millions of people? or in case of the taliban beat women and treat tehm unfairly? i think not. this war was fair and justifiable.

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

quote:

---

Thank you for that usless opinion, however, I am only interested in hearing what people think about the "war" on "terrorism"

---

You used the Pearl Harbor example to support your argument. You were wrong, and I pointed out why. Get used to actual debate.

not being American, I guess I dont agree with the war because I've seen if from outside. All countries except the U.S. and Iraq have seen it from outside, so WE see with no sides, just what seems fair. and this war is not.

everything you said was true, this war is reasonless and unfair.

yes bin laden is the greater threat. but e should keep a presence in Iraq just to make sure that some radical regime doesnt arise from the shadows.

for all you coalition haters out there i am not imposing my viesw on anyone. i am just sharing my views just like the rest of you and am trying to help people see my point.

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

Oh, I know it's difficult. I'm just saying that it's a little too early to say that the evil regimes are gone for good. With bin Laden still out there (if he hasn't died), there is a good chance that he could get even more support for his views. Al Queda is already a huge problem, and if it continues to gain support through the recruiting that bin Laden could do while in that cave... well, I'm just saying the worst is yet to come. Possibly.

Also, since we seem to bent on having our military over there, I think that it would be a good idea to remove some troops from Iraq (although if we follow the June 30 exit, then it's obvious our troops will leave) and try to find bin Laden. Personally, I feel that he's the bigger threat at this time and point.

And we did find Saddam Hussein, and he was in a hole in the ground, now wasn't he?

i respect your opinion wicked_rebel and i hope i didnt give the impression that i was criticizing you.

Gentle,

it is kind of hard to find some guy that is hiding out in one of the millions of caves in Afghnistan if he is even still there.

for all you coalition haters out there i am not imposing my viesw on anyone. i am just sharing my views just like the rest of you and am trying to help people see my point.

*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, and Redrepublican. in their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

quote:

---

BUSH HAS TAKEN OUT TWO EVIL REGIMES THAT BLATANTLY SUPPORTED TERRORISM

---

Aye, but have you noticed how we still haven't found Osama bin Laden, who was the person who actually attacked the US? We're so busy with Iraq that we've lost our focus, it seems.

Good info reb. We're there to kick out the terrorists. Long live America and the Dirty South!