Lets say osama bin laden is caught and apoligizes for the attacks... would you forgive him?

Why not?

You don't forgive someone who would, if given the opportunity, repeat the action in a heartbeat.

Forgiving is not saying it is "okay."
Forgiving does not mean you will not enact judgement.
Forgiving also does not mean that you will forget what has happened, or trust them again.

uuhhhmmm.... you forgive the guy who stole your wallet, you forgive the guy who punches the crap out of you, you can even forgive the f***ing guy who stole your wife.... but you can never forgive a mass murderer..how could you?

Read some books on islamic terrorism.
Bin Laden wasn't the mastermind behind the september 11th attacks, they where an independent project undertaken by a radical who's name I forget, and who merely contacted Bin Laden to seek his blessing(as he was a widely respected figure in the Jihadi world) and possibly obtain funding.

uhm no?
why would i forgive someone who cost us so many love ones?

"yes Osama, i realize that you took two airplanes into some very important building and killed alot of people, but you know what? thats okay. i forgive you"

yeahhh that makes sense.

Just to tell u know I do believe in Jesus. And I believe in forgiveness but now I am questioning myself on this one...

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As I sit in wonderment of forgivness..I wonder what the lord would say. He says that we r humans we make mistakes and when we do we need to forgive. But How do we forgive a person who is able to kill thousands of people in split seconds without a second thought. How can he murder like he did, with help of others. Does the lord forgive them Does the lord take there sins in as he takes ours? As we sit and stareat our televisions in Aww of how this is happening we sit there with NO thought of forgiveness just thought of who did this. We have to get revenge. Kill the people who did this. But did we EVER have the thoughts of forgiveness?

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This was someting my friend Sandy and I talked about and this is what she said to me and let me tell U this, it made me think and those are her exact words...at least of what I remeber.
And I can tell U this I havent forgave him. I just cant at least not yet and I tell myslef he is someone wo is making a stand..in a horrible way. is there any way I can forgive..I dont think so but sooner or later we will have to as the lord forgives us. And the people in Afganistan need to do the same to us....

lol you are funny as well, as the Japanese economy was done but not the thousands of entrenched soldiers, go tell a vetwho was on Iwo Jima that they were done. you think they had no supplies in the bunkers and tunnels? I dd not say it was the greatest thing even, what about the crusades though? christians seem to forget those things, it has happened in every cultute that ever lived, you think it was an easy decision to make as well? funny I do nnot know what I am talking about as a history major. guess I will change.

oh so in a draft I guess our young american soldiers all choose to fight and they were worth sacrificing to the japanese? do you know how many from both sides would have died if we had invaded and fought til their last soldier died? at least the Nazis had more common sense and killed themselves and they surrendered when they were basically without leadership.

So am I to take that as a yes... or as a no, but-if-I-see-him-he's-dead response?

I can agree with you though, sinope. But I'd be less lenient to forgive him.

gemeni- we're cool actually. i can forgive him, because i wouldn't want anyone to have so much power over me. the feelings of hatred, vengence, anger;STRONG AND POWERFUL. they're just not me.

BUT!

if i ever saw or accidentally bumped into him at a street corner or something, in disguise or what not? if noone noticed him, i don't know if i could live with my self by letting him go. i'd shank him maybe. mob style. that's just street justice, which i find pretty hard to actually put legislature on. at least that emotion can be directed toward one person, and NOT A WHOLE RACE OR CULTURE OF PEOPLE. especially innocents. then street justice would strike again. ON US!!!

pc. your funny ya know. you said, and i quote:"we were attacked at pearl harbor and more lives were saved with those bombs ending the war of all wars than if we had to invade japan with our whole military ...."

at least military people know what they're getting into. if your on the front line, don't be surprised if you get shot. as for saving lives by bombing innocent women and children! funny. good stuff. not to mention radiation. you don't care though. anyone who knows anything about the end of the war; japan was defeated way before the bombing. a complete naval blockade was in affect, long before the bomb was dropped. america wan't to scare the russians. wagging war on civilians is cowardly. i'm talking about the act itself, not one country or another. it's a crime against humanity.

Shall I take that as a no?

Back to the subject... would you forgive bin Laden?

We kind of side-tracked... hmmm

actually from a philosophy stand point it does matter what your intentions are/were before an act is deemed to be immoral, if you are trying to help an old lady cross the street and a rice burner honda civic comes speeding around a corner and hits her your act is not immoral, you have to take intentions into account, as far as nagasaki and hiroshima as your examples we were attacked at pearl harbor and more lives were saved with those bombs ending the war of all wars than if we had to invade japan with our whole military and had fought the japanese out of their bunkers and their booby-trapped "civilian" houses, as well as their women and children whom were trained to kill. If my last post was biased than was yours not as well? If their(Al-Qaeda) intentions were not to kill as many innocent civilians as possible would it have happened at all?

For your information sinope, the Code of Hammurabi still plays a huge role in modern law. Lets try researching what we are trying to defend.

You want another quote? Heh.

"The shortest distance between two truths is a lie." -Anonymous

Criticize. Don't analyze.

Here's a good quote for you:

"A witty saying proves nothing"
-Voltaire

so if you take an eye, you will lose an eye.
if you take a tooth you will lose a tooth, right?

sounds like karma to me.

(i'm glad to see we base our morality on an ancient king).

The "eye for an eye" rule is not like karma at all. In ancient Mesopotamia, there was a king named Hamurabi. He made the code of Hamurabi which says, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". This phrase was meant in old times that if someone committed a crime, then they will have the same crime committed against them. This was the earliest form of law. So your statement,

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i think that i fr i thing is about karma; everything comes back around to us; not literally taking someone's eye if they take yours-that's kind of whimsical

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is acutely wrong. Please learn before you choose to speak.