Hey, sinope.. maybe you should make a book of quotes too.

And I agree that terrorism is a major problem everywhere.

i'm calm.

we can all pretty much agree that terrorism is a GREAT crime against humanity.

"stop terrorism" should mean just that. i don't understand why i hear one person say this PASSIONATELY, and then then approve a violent attack elsewhere in the world, far, far away from their comfortable couches.

"eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." gandhi and MLK.

"why fight fire with fire when all that's left is ashes and rubble."- me

we should't let our anger get the best of us. that's all i have to say. gmni and pc. i enjoyed our debate here and glad to see that we could discuss responsibly. that's all i ask from any human. later skaters.

Actually, there have been mainstream press reports of generals coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq saying they were "ordered" to even kill innocent civilians.


Could you blame them?

Our troops not only have to face the Taliban, Republican National Guard (Iraqi) and the scorpions, but they have to fend off the thousands upon thousands of anti-American, pro-Saddam civilians ...that are armed usually.

Calm down, sinope. Breathe in... breathe out. Good job.

Stop being such a hypocrite. All of your "examples" of terrorism are biased. I personally agree with PC.

your list is pretty biased.

in my oppinion Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki were one of the most attrocious terrorist attacks in history. i don't seem them on your list. or other incidents were innocents were killed by the hands of the u.s..

when we bomb a target, miss, and hit sayyyy a wedding or something, do you think those civilians care what our intentions were? would THEY not see that as an act of terrrorism? THEY JUST GOT F***** BOMBED DUDE! saying, "oh. sorry. my bad." isn't going to bring those people back, but niether would them retaliating with more bombs.

look at the big picture.

I am not saying poor us, poor us. 3,000 of our citizens being killed by Islamic extremists is terrorism. Palestinian suicide bombers killing non-military Israeli teens at bus stops and cafes is terrorism. Iraq using chemical weapons on its own people, the Kurds is terrorism. I say if the U.S is fighting in another country and a bomb misses its target did we mean to do that they way these extremists meant to kill their victims? No. The explosion in Bali at the club which killed around 200 TOURISTS is terrorism. You need more examples? If that is not a clear picture I beg of you to go talk to some victims families of these attacks and ask them.

PC:
after such a rude awakening alot of people are all like; "poor us, poor us! someone must pay for this attrocity!!!!"

and indeed "they" should.

but if we bomb ANY innocent civilians of other countries, we stoop to thier level.

that's why i again ask for your definition of terrorism.

I did not say the United States is the only country yet I am going to be more concerned obviously for stuff going on here that I am in other countries. Why? Because I live in the greatest country in the world and love it here. Where did I even mention anything like we are the only country? Are you reading the right posts? Just having this website proves my point as to the freedom we still have. I will gladly let the govt. search me when I get on a plane or enter a stadium, the rest of the world is used to that, and now sadly but true it must happen here as well.

i think you fail to realize the united states isn't the only country on this planet, and if you guys would please define (your definition) the word TERRRORISM for me i would much appreciate it. i think you'll find the rest of the world suffers too. suffering, suffering, suffering; it is to be human.

it doesn't have to get in the way of your life.
YOU ARE ALIVE! and if anything after the attacks we should smile more often, listen more often, care more often, embrace more often, and be just be grateful. hate is not going to give you anything but more hate; EYE FOR AN EYE, right p.c. (i think that i fr i thing is about karma; everything comes back around to us; not literally taking someone's eye if they take yours-that's kind of whimsical).

Well what answers do you accept?

That everything happens by chance or luck?

That everything in this world happens on the drop of a dime, or by coincidence?


"The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself." Ecclesiastes 10:12

Oh, come on.

Don't even break out that "God has a reason for doing everything" crap.

Really. Some of us are Atheist/Agnostic, and don't accept that answer. Check please.

Jody, well said.

But, according to documents released by our own government, FDR knew exactly what was about to happen; he even ordered certain ships to be stationed in Pearl Harbor.

(if you don't believe me, look up some real history about P.H.)

But what you said about God and the Bible I must give you credit for.

It doesn't matter how bad things will get, God said they MUST come to pass and they MUST happen.

Proudconservative:

I agree with you about the freedom to question our government, etc.

And oil isn't the only thing we're over there for, no.

The CIA has even published reports stating the poppy production has increased dramatically since the U.S. sent troops over there.

How could this be?

Well, if you (anyone in particular) know anything about CIA history, then you'll know that this powerful "spy" agency has been involved in some of the most infamous drug-trafficking cases in U.S. and world history.

If you don't believe that, then you should read this:

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/webb.html

http://internetpirate.com/CRIMES_OF_MENA.htm

http://www.idfiles.com/

As far as oil goes. If that was the reason why would we go to Afghanistan? Do you know the natural resources there? Poppy- used to make Heroin, so is pir govt a bunch of druggies now as well? If oil was the reason we would have blamed Iraq inthe first place, gone in, taken the whole mid east out and taken the oil.

No one in here seems to understand that you are so lucky to even be able to talk about our president and government the way you are. The only reason you can express your thoughts is because of the nation you live in....The United States of America. Do you realize what would happen to you in many other countries? Who is making you stay here? You are free to leave the country any time, I just wonder where you think is better to go. Feel free though.

That is absurd. You can go and tell the family of each 9/11 victim this and see what they say to you. The bible also preaches eye for an eye does it not? You can take your god and forgive and forget, good luck surviving. If the United States does not retaliate and break up these terrorist organizations there will be bigger attacks in the future which could kill even your family. Let us see if you forgive and forget then.

just forgive and forget. The man is crazy and out of his mind. We all kow that hate is evil, and some of you sound like you guys are full of hate. Just because you have a person who doesn't know any thing at all doesn't mean we have to be so upset with him for the rest of our lives. As for me I don't agree with the things he did. We have to understand that he treats his own people like this, and they don't even eat or walk around without showing their whole bodies. We should all know that on 9/11 was never going to happen, and also that when they had attacked Pearl Harbor, noone knew when that was going to happen. I know that this isn't the middle 1940s, but I know that this isn't 2001 any more and so as for what we should do is forgive and forget. The bible says that these things were going to happen and that we should be aware of these things. so if you have hat ein your heart, then you should ask for forgiveness from God and let him in your heart so you can pray on this evil man. And sometimes it seems to me that some people who have hate in their heart seem like they are like Bin Laden himself!! If you don't agree check again with your actions and your thinking.

anger is the seed of hatred. don't water it, because soon you'll have this massive tree overcasting and drying all your other emotions and like a pit in your stomach.......... you'll get an ulcer, and then like your whole life becomes a non spice eating, coffedrinking, void.

Padilla doesn't DESERVE any rights. He's going to roast, anyway. I'm sorry, but if it were up to me, ALL of these convicted terrorists (whether they held US citizenship or not) would be executed or found along the highway in ball and chain helping to restore the community. Yes, I say this out of anger, but it's my opinion, which I am entitled to.

So you're saying it's okay for the Bush Administration to lock a U.S. citizen in jail without due process, without Constitutional rights being enforced?

Yeah, you're being misled if you think that's alright.

Every stinking person in this country who thinks it's okay for the government to take away our God-given rights in exchange for "security" or to protect us from "Terrorists" are being horribly misled.

Bring on this One World Government people. I'm ready to stand up and fight.

"The U.S. government wants you to BELIEVE that you're safe; YOU give the government just a few of your rights and they will "PROTECT" you. Sadly gemini, you are like many Americans who are being misled about "feeling" secure."

I am not misled by ANY means, Joey. I'm not making the US government out to be more than it is. But I am not going to blame all of the nation's problems on it. That gets nothing accomplished.

And I'm not even going to start on Jose Padilla. The moron should suffer the consequences as all terrorists.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/22/0622/92456