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Registered: August 21, 2002
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We all see Bin Laden as the guy who Killed people, the EVIL one, so to speak, but really who knows his heart? There are gangmembers who are tough with people but they go home and call their mom mommy, and they have secret ballet lessons or something.
My point-being is that even though actions speak louder than words, people are only seeing the negative actions, Who in real life has met this man and had his trust? One cannot judge a person's fate until they know who he is, or it would be like taking a name out of a hat.
There must be something thisman cares about, and if I ever saw him, helpless, or asking for forgiveness, and he was sincere, I'd forgive him, because none deserves to be hated by people he has never met.
Butterfly
Registered: August 16, 2002
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even though i am a christian i have to aggree can we keep it OUR opinon
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Registered: August 04, 2002
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Cant one topic not have the bible involved.In this case though,sorry isnt good enough,perhaps hard labour would be fitting,good idea in some ways,but what about all the security he will have to have around him,a waste of man power maybe?
Registered: July 08, 2002
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People! The man killed over 3,000 of Americans. And the only reason he would be crying is because he didn't want to die. Evil once, always evil. The bible even says that if a man (not just males, you know what I mean... the human race) kills another living being, he is supposed to die. In Bin Laden's case, he should die 3,000 times.
Registered: June 25, 2002
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Chain gangs and hard labor are fine w/ people who have some sort of human characteristics inside of them, but with Bin Laden...I don't think so! If someone were to catch him I would have no problem w/ him being sentenced to death! A guy like that has no right to be living on the same place as humane people!...this is considering he is not already dead...He'll get what he deserves! Maybe not on earth, but one way or another he'll be punished for his crime! And no there is no way in hell I would forgive him, he can say the whole f**king english language for all I care, I still wouldn't forgive him!!
Registered: August 16, 2002
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Hey thats a good idea!
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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Everyone seems to be divided between life sentence and death. How about a third option:

Hard Labor.

I can see no more fitting punishment for Bin Laden than to sentence him to a life of hard labor. Part of a chain gang building highways and cleaning up parks for the American people. That would be the ultimate humiliation and punishment for him.

Too bad he didn't make it out of Tora Bora. :/
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Registered: March 17, 2002
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Birdygirl, this man deserves no level of forgiveness at all for his sins. There can be no apology great enough to justify his horrible deeds. This man deserves to burn in the pits of hell for all eternity. If I saw him on the streets I would offer no such aid to him, for he deserves none. Whatever happened to "Do undo others?" Granted, while I would not be following it, he would have what's coming to him. And to say that you would take him into your home is absurd. To think that you would harbor a known terrorist because you feel bad for him is the most insane claim I have ever heard. I agree that I life sentence would be more appropriate, that is more of a hell than death. This way, he will suffer the hell on earth and the hell not of this earth. And we are not hating this man blindly! We have all the reasons in the world to hate this man. To forgive him for what he did is to forget about the sacrifies of countless American lives on 9/11. To take the life of a terrorist and forgive him or honor the memory of the victims of 9/11. It seems like quite the easy choice to me.
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Registered: October 13, 2001
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BirdyGirl, I totally, completely agree with you.


Love, Jenny
Registered: November 03, 2001
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After reading Birdygirl's post, I started thinking. He does hate us, the same as we hate him, so is he any more guilty of his crime than we are? I don't think so. If we had something against the way people in another country ran the country, wouldn't we bomb them and try to change their government? Isn't that what we're doing in Afghanistan? We think we're right, Bin Laden thought he was right. We're fighting the "enemy" who is so much like us. So if he's truly sorry, why not forgive him for hating him blindly the way that we hate him?
Registered: November 01, 2001
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If I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that Bin Laden was sincere in his apology, I would forgive him.

BTW...I want to define my forgiveness.

Say you have several circles of people around you. Circle Five, the farthest from you, is your "enemy circle", the ones you don't like and avoid. Circle Four is your "acquaintances you don't like" circle. Three is your "acquaintances you like" circle. Two is your "friends" circle. One is your "best friend and family" circle, the closest to you. In order to forgive, I have to be willing to take the person to be forgiven into Circle One, the circle closest to my heart. And honestly, if I saw Bin Laden on the street, seriously hurt, I would help him, thereby taking him into Circle One and forgiving him. Would you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? He's a human being, after all, with flesh just like ours and a heart of muscle that pumps the same human blood and a brain that can think for itself. All I really want from him is an explanation of why he hates America. I don't want him dead, and I hate the fact that so many people are just going to hate him on sight for the rest of his life. What punishment is worse than that, to be hated on sight?

I know how bad it is; I was hated on sight for 9 years, locked out of the society I was supposed to be in. I had a place---it was just outside the door. I can't bear to think that anybody else would have to go through that. (Well, I don't think Bin Laden is strong enough of character to get through it, really. He's hating us on sight too...but from that, we should know how he might feel.) Maybe I'm just really, really compassionate, but I try to love everyone---it's one of my favorite teachings from the Bible. The Lord Jesus said, "Love thy brethren." If He meant "Love thy brethren, all but your mortal enemies," I believe He would have said so. No matter what, Bin Laden's one of our brethren, and I sure as he11 am not going to alienate him. If he truly regrets his actions and his masterminding of the Sept. 11th tragedies, then he deserves nothing less than to be forgiven. Case closed.

Peace,

Birdy cool
Registered: November 03, 2001
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He can't be forgiven for what he did, but no one deserves to die, we shouldn't do that to him, that doesn't justify anything, anyway, a lifetime in jail is worse punishment, isn't it?
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Registered: March 17, 2002
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Anyone who thinks that Osama should be forgiven for his horrible acts, then you are no better than the man himself. If you want to forgive this man, why don't you go and pledge your allegience to Al Queda. This man deserves no forgiveness. Even if he sounded sincere, after the cameras were off, he'd be screaming "JIHAD" at the top of his lungs and planning another attack at the "infidels of America."

However, I suppose that if he were sincere about killing countless Americans and claiming to do so again, I guess I should just let him stay the night in my bed and provide him with an adequte supply of food.

Or, I would shoot him on sight. One of the two. That way progress could be made.

Give me a break. You people are sick. Let's just go ahead and make Hitler a saint while were at it. I'm sure you people would support that, but only if he were sorry.
Registered: August 15, 2002
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Never. I would never forgive him.
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Registered: October 13, 2001
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Yeah, I think I'd forgive him.


Love, Jenny
Registered: August 16, 2002
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Okay what if he KNEW he was gonna die and he was strapped up and ready and his finnal words he says" Forgive me ameriica and the victims i am truley sorry" then he starts crying
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Registered: June 12, 2002
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erm...no.
but what difference does it make? it doesn't really change much does it?
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Registered: July 07, 2002
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Well, I guess if I thought he was sincere...
Registered: August 16, 2002
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no. well i wouldn't forgive him. it was such an atrocious act...how could anyone forgive him for what he did? the man deserves to be killed for this act and for others...he supports killing people.
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Registered: April 18, 2002
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no.
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