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Registered: November 05, 2006
Posts: 17
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terroists are just another army by conventional means. but some countrtys live off the stuff. columbia,south america is the drug capital of the world ruled by a goverment that are terroists but its to late to go bak terriosm is what keeps countrys burning although i dont support it can we really stop it?
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Registered: February 05, 2005
Posts: 929
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quote: Iraqis (other than Saddam) had no real quarrel with us until we destroyed their government and wreaked havoc on their infrastructure. Real smooth, eh?
Yeah, America and it's people are going to go down in history as the country that somehow managed to mistake a barrel of oil with a muslim fundamentalist.
If god existed he'd be right winged
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6054
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quote: America went to the middle east because the middle east first came here on 9/11/01. Remember that.
The thing I find funny about this is that we somehow managed to stumble into one of the most secular Arab nations in the Middle East. If we were all about fighting terrorists, we should have invaded Saudi Arabia. After all, the majority of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. So is Osama bin Laden. We're not doing so hot with the fighting terrorists bit since we're stuck in Iraq fighting people who are upset that we invaded it in the first place. I almost guarantee that most of the insurgents in Iraq today joined the anti-American cause less than 4 years ago. Iraqis (other than Saddam) had no real quarrel with us until we destroyed their government and wreaked havoc on their infrastructure. Real smooth, eh?
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: April 24, 2005
Posts: 872
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quote: And that's probably the most difficult task our generation has ever had to face. Terrorism has its roots firmly planted in the holy soil of the Middle East, and a Christian-tinged Westerner is never going to be able to uproot that without looking like, and being, a tyrant.
Terrorism has its root in the Middle East? ok, the red army faction (Italy) the Tamil Tigers (Sri-Lanka) The IRA (Ireland) Jewish Zionists (Palestine) ANC (south africa - led by Nelson Madela) the PKK (Turkey). Just a very very tiny percentage of terrorist groups, past and present. All from the middle east? hm, no. quote: There is no way to achieve peace in the middle east because Our idea of peace and a Muslim terrorist's are not the same.
Again, not true. Those who carry out military actions against US soldiers are fighting a resistance campaign to foreign occupation. Peace is something a Muslim empire brought to the middle east for 500 years (Ottoman Empire), not to mention other Islamic civilisations who have thrived in peace in the past. quote: Britain discovered a parallel Muslim government to theirs. They are very scared.
ooooo yes over here we are quaking in our boots! I for one am very proud of our diverse society, never in the history of the world has 'melting-pot' being a true statement as when used to describe mdoern Britain. quote: America went to the middle east because the middle east first came here on 9/11/01. Remember that.
So, America hadn't been to the middle-east prior to 9/11? I think you will find that part of the justification for the attacks was an American presence in the middle-east.
'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: April 19, 2007
Posts: 17
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Soo...all we have to do is smash terrorists' heads between rocks. Problem solved.
I kid. The point is to rid the world of terrorism, you have to get to the heart of the terroristic movement (the heart of a hydra). And that's probably the most difficult task our generation has ever had to face. Terrorism has its roots firmly planted in the holy soil of the Middle East, and a Christian-tinged Westerner is never going to be able to uproot that without looking like, and being, a tyrant.
That is such a true statement. There is no way to achieve peace in the middle east because Our idea of peace and a Muslim terrorist's are not the same. They never will be. I talk to several of our American soldiers in Iraq on line. They talk about not being able to trust even moms with babies because bombs are strapped to the babies in their diapers. Just recently a mom and dad parked their car in front of a shop, leaving their 3 children in the car like they were returning. Once they were safely away they blew up the carbomb and their children. So much for a mother's love. They did it in the name of Allah, their god. America needs to wake up. Terrorism is already here in the U.S. Just about 3-4 miles away from my home a radical Muslim terrorist group was discovered. Britain discovered a parallel Muslim government to theirs. They are very scared. It is my understanding that Australia's Prime Minister gave them the boot from their country not out of fear, but out of preparation from future attacks. America went to the middle east because the middle east first came here on 9/11/01. Remember that.
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Registered: March 06, 2006
Posts: 59
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A simple comparison guys.
Crime will always exist and so will terrorism.
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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quote: It's the shitty prepotent, arrogant, and self righteous attitude that's held by way too many people that has the whole world hating us. When americans learn that there are better things than being american and stop trying to force their culture on weaker nations the global state of affairs will improve.
I couldn't agree more.
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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Registered: February 05, 2005
Posts: 929
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quote: You know what else would help? Teaching those same concepts of tolerance to Americans. Muslims and Arabs being treated like crap all the time in America isn't really helping your case all that much.
You're right, but it doesn't have to be religious tolerance, it's the whole tolerance concept that needs to be taught to american society. It's the shitty prepotent, arrogant, and self righteous attitude that's held by way too many people that has the whole world hating us. When americans learn that there are better things than being american and stop trying to force their culture on weaker nations the global state of affairs will improve.
If god existed he'd be right winged
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Registered: January 15, 2006
Posts: 484
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13:
Teaching religious tolerance and giving them reasons to not strap bombs to their chests would be the best courses of action.
You know what else would help? Teaching those same concepts of tolerance to Americans. Muslims and Arabs being treated like crap all the time in America isn't really helping your case all that much.
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6054
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The most effective way to get rid of terrorism is to get rid of the environment in which it breeds. In this case, it's impoverished fundamentalist Muslims who most readily take up the cause of killing Americans and their supporters. Teaching religious tolerance and giving them reasons to not strap bombs to their chests would be the best courses of action. However, we missed our chance to do any such thing. Shortly after 9/11, most of the world sympathized with the United States. Yes, even in the Middle East, where people hated the United States, but not enough to fly planes into it. We should have taken that chance and used the sympathy people felt for us to teach religious tolerance and nip Islamism (fundamentalist Islam) in the bud before it spread. But, long story short, we didn't. I don't need to tell you what we did instead. In short, our warmongering has fueled the Islamist movement by giving them a really good reason to hate America: our "imperialism" (which is how they see our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq as being). Now, Islamism is so firmly rooted in the Middle East that there is no way they're going to listen to a word we say. Heck, the Islamists don't even listen to moderate Muslims. We screwed up. The chance to win this "war" disappeared once we decided to invade Middle Eastern countries. To beat the hydra metaphor to death, we chopped off heads until the heart was encased in five-foot thick steel before we decided to do anything about it. We're in for the long haul now, and things are just going to get worse if we keep doing what we've been doing.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: September 29, 2004
Posts: 3690
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13:
Terrorism is like a hydra. Cut off a head and three more pop up to take its place.
Soo...all we have to do is smash terrorists' heads between rocks. Problem solved. I kid. The point is to rid the world of terrorism, you have to get to the heart of the terroristic movement (the heart of a hydra). And that's probably the most difficult task our generation has ever had to face. Terrorism has its roots firmly planted in the holy soil of the Middle East, and a Christian-tinged Westerner is never going to be able to uproot that without looking like, and being, a tyrant.
A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6054
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quote: Everything has a weakness.
Indeed. But I can tell you what terrorism's weakness is not: war. Terrorism is like a hydra. Cut off a head and three more pop up to take its place. Terrorists are much the same. You don't need training to be a terrorist. You just need to be fanatical. And there are plenty of fanatics in the world ready to take up the cause of the terrorists. quote: you know that one of the only ways to wi is to not give up. And with so many cowards in the United states, most of which have never seen combat or are in the military that disagree are encouraging the terrists because thier tactics are working.
A game of tug of war played by two equally devoted opponents will never end. That's not what you want in a war of attrition. Every day we fight this "war" against terrorism, people on both sides die. The problem is, they've got way more people than we do. We'll run out of soldiers long before they run out of people willing to strap bombs to their chests. Do you know why most of America is loathe to join the military? They see no future in it. As it stands, if you join the military, you get sent to Iraq. And once you're there, there's a very good chance you're going to die because some Iraqi was fed up with how the US has mismanaged his country. While I commend our troops for their bravery, you can't call us cowards for not wishing to get sent to die in a giant sandpit.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: March 21, 2007
Posts: 2
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quote: Freedom is also an Idea, as well as love, If we don nothing those things can be eaten alive by hatred and revenge. Everything has a weakness.
yes thoes are ideas and as long as there is one single person with one single breath left to beathe the idea isnt dead. but eaven then the idea still isnt dead. you can weaken its presence but an idea will never die. quote: It's not Bush we should be blaming. Had Al Gore been in office he probably would have reacted the same way
bush just acted out. there was no rhyme or reason for attacking iraq. afganastan i can see some justification there, but when he went into iraq all he did is took out a dictator & replaced it with a civil war. quote: But when they cannot cause much damage it is a large feat.
it doesnt matter how massive or miniscule the damage is. if there is an attack against a person, or group of people that is meant to cause fear or terror there is still terrorism out there. and as you put it quote: We cannot fully eliminate these enemies
and if we can not fully eliminate the enemies then we can not fully eliminate terrorism. so this war has no end... |
Registered: October 09, 2006
Posts: 72
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quote: we can not defeat terrorism. no matter what we do we can not kill that idea!
1. with that mentality no wonder. Freedom is also an Idea, as well as love, If we don nothing those things can be eaten alive by hatred and revenge. Everything has a weakness. 2. Did you play tug of war as a child? you know that one of the only ways to wi is to not give up. And with so many cowards in the United states, most of which have never seen combat or are in the military that disagree are encouraging the terrists because thier tactics are working. they blow us up by some stupid car bomb and 2 marines die, then everyone at home goes and burns an american flag to protest???? Terrorism is doing its job alright. Its objective from the begining was to strike fear in the followers of a goverment. And you let them accomplish it. It's not Bush we should be blaming. Had Al Gore been in office he probably would have reacted the same way. We must blame those who kill american troops who one, are doing their jobs and two are delivering freedom to a previously opressed country that very indeed wants our help and a democracy easily shown by the Iraqi security forces amassing by an all voulenteer native army. Terrorists have lost this war, they are just random acts of violence now. Car Bombs. They cant shoot worth crap with small arms fire and all they've made so far is a few videos showing off their only stinger missle. They have all their assets frozen, they cannot function as a united force anymore. We cannot fully eliminate these enemies like we cannot fully eliminate murderers in united countries. But when they cannot cause much damage it is a large feat. We really need to stop showing just death and destruction, there are schools being built and comunities solving their differences everyday in that country. It really is going well you just gotta stop looking at the glass as half empty.
Freedom isnt free, and its time to stop paying with the credit card....
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Registered: March 21, 2007
Posts: 2
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quote: Winable, but we must support the war in order for it to be. Terrorists arent about to give up, because they know americans back home want us to leave. the more they kill, the more discouraged the world becomes, but believe me, it is a winable war. Kill the enemies morale and end this war with a victory.
im bringing this back to the origional question. & my awnser is this is not a winable war! we should keep in mind what the government says we are fighting. they say we are fighting terrorism, & terrorists, her is the exact reason why we will not and can not win this war. Obviously they have never seen V for VENDETA, i will spare you the quotes & tell you what it says. it says that you can not defeat an idea! men will die & be forgoten but the idea will remain. you can not kill an idea! this is why we will not win this war! we can not defeat terrorism. no matter what we do we can not kill that idea! |
Registered: March 19, 2007
Posts: 16
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I agree with Maya. Can't really solve anything without addressing the source. You must target and contain the immediate effects while cutting it at the source.
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Registered: January 13, 2007
Posts: 1
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quote: Originally posted by Trisscar: quote: Also, why does half the world hate the US?
Let me start with this one. And I'm trying to be as tactful as possible. The world hates the US because what the US does to the world. Basically The US foreign policy causes the world to hate them Do you pay attention to the news? I mean who wouldn't hate someone who went into their country and uprooted it. Am I saying getting rid of a dictator was a bad idea? no. It's just they have to direct their anger somewhere and the US is a good target. Plus... uh... maybe you're hated because you support Isreal. Trust me people in the Middle East HATE Isreal with a passion, so there's another strike against you. Oh! And plus other countries are jelouse of you, you have lots of wealth. And the fact that the US government has refused to sign some important treaties (Land mind treaty for example) - Kinda pissed people off too. Basically the US is really bad with the whole forein policy thing. That might have a lot to do with it. Oh... I could go on... but I won't
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Registered: November 27, 2004
Posts: 1322
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The point I was trying to make in my first post is that people want to end terrorism but don't even ask themselves why it exists in the first place, so how can you end something if you don't look at it's cause?Again it's the same thing with us being so hated, people here seem to think that it's undeserved or whatever "we are the great country center of the world trying to spread freedom and blablabla"(and all that other bullsh*t) and never actually think that maybe it's OUR OWN FAULT. Or even worse, sometimes people don't even see it. That was what I was trying to get at. To change something you have to go to it's root. That said, I think terrorism will never end.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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Registered: October 22, 2006
Posts: 2535
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quote: Also, why does half the world hate the US?
Let me start with this one. And I'm trying to be as tactful as possible. The world hates the US because what the US does to the world. Basically The US foreign policy causes the world to hate them Do you pay attention to the news? I mean who wouldn't hate someone who went into their country and uprooted it. Am I saying getting rid of a dictator was a bad idea? no. It's just they have to direct their anger somewhere and the US is a good target. Plus... uh... maybe you're hated because you support Isreal. Trust me people in the Middle East HATE Isreal with a passion, so there's another strike against you. Oh! And plus other countries are jelouse of you, you have lots of wealth. And the fact that the US government has refused to sign some important treaties (Land mind treaty for example) - Kinda pissed people off too. Basically the US is really bad with the whole forein policy thing. That might have a lot to do with it. Oh... I could go on... but I won't
J'irai bien.
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Registered: November 27, 2004
Posts: 1322
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That did make sense Triss. I was trying to get at something else though, I guess I should've frased it differently! So my question is then, why do people become suicide bombers in the first place? Or why did 9/11 happen? Also, why does half the world hate the US?
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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