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I'll admit it, I didnt want Bush to win in the beginning, and now he's actually doing this country justice. My brother is out fighting in Iraq... I couldn't be more proud of him or this nation. Plus it doesnt help that Kerry calls himself a "devout Roman Catholic" and still proclaims that if abortion was around when Mary concieved Jesus, there would have been no crucifixtion. Yea, what a great Catholic there! VOTE BUSH '04!!

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Yes, Kerry exercised his freedom of speech, but he also crossed the line into helping the enemy by railing against his fellow troops, claiming that they were committing "war crimes" and atrocities over there.

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The quote was out of context and purposely falsified. Kerry accused no such thing.

Somehow, between the Moonie Times and Hannity this thing got started and hit the echo-chamber. It didn't die. It was shown false within days and yet, these things can be said and live on due to whatever: stupidity, laziness, willingness to believe the worst.

It needs to stop.

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Which, by the way, Kerry would have us believe he wasn't a party to. It was just others, not him, right?

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Actually, Kerry himself said that he participated in the atrocities that were committed in Vietnam. “There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.” “However, I did take part in free-fire zones, I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire, I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground.”
So you can’t argue that he says it was just the others. Oh, and actually, Kerry just got rid of the ribbons, not the medals themselves.

“How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam?" Kerry asked. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" Attacking the Nixon White House, he said, "This administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifices we made for this country.” Kerry said this during his most famous speech as a war protester. These words are not attacking the soldiers that served. If you’re counting his accusations of war crimes, then yes, you could easily say that he was attacking our soldiers. But it seems to me that he was stating facts, stating what he saw, what he participated in.

President Bush, on May 26th, 1972, never showed up for duty in Alabama. This is according to his commanding officer. In November of the same year, he went back to Texas but never came in for guard duty. His “service” in the National Guard seems a little empty, if you ask me.

In regards to the NEA, I don’t know enough about it to argue for or against it. Rod Paige’s words, though, were highly inappropriate, especially since I see their cause as a just one. The No Child Left Behind Act leaves a lot of children behind, and there does need to be more adequate funding. Especially since Bush cut the education budget.

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are you a terrorist?

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Yes I am. Read my Profile to find out more.

For Bushie to do the right thing, he needs to give me an arsenal and a plane ticket to Iraq, along with a B-2 Stealth Bomber. I'll personally teach those infadels. Anti-American terrorists must be killed by the American Terrorist. Jihad!

The American Terrorist (Blowing yo anti-US a$$ up)

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why would you disagree with that? are you a terrorist?

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That is such the Republican attitude: anyone who doesn't agree with you is a terrorist.

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Kerry threw away his Vietnam War medals in protest to the war.

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Which is perceived as a sell-out to his fellow soldiers who were still fighting and dying over in Vietnam. Yes, Kerry exercised his freedom of speech, but he also crossed the line into helping the enemy by railing against his fellow troops, claiming that they were committing "war crimes" and atrocities over there. Which, by the way, Kerry would have us believe he wasn't a party to. It was just others, not him, right?

Bush served in the National Guard, and has the courage to keep his mouth shut rather than undermine his fellow soldiers. It is fine to protest war, provided it is at the right time. Even during war, protest isn't necessarily bad, if it's done tactfully and in a manner respectful to the soldiers currently serving. Kerry's protest approach however, like that of most protesters at the time, was neither well-timed or done with consideration of the soldiers fighting. In fact, it was pretty openly hostile to the men serving. Just as anti-war protesters literally spit on soldiers returning home from Vietnam, Kerry spit on them verbally, and helped foster that abusive anti-military mentality.

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Actually, under the Patriot Act, so many people who obviously aren’t terrorists could be called so.

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Kerry and his ilk gave government that power long ago. Obviously you aren't a gun owner, but the government has had that power for quite some time, and Bill Clinton, in particular, abused it. So, aside from the litany of falsehoods perpetrated by the left with respect to the Patriot Act, the fact is that the USAPA is just proof that once you let politicians impose "reasonable regulations" over civil liberties, there is no end to how far they will go.

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Rod Paige, Secretary of Education, did call the largest teacher’s union a “terrorist organization”

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In many respects, Paige is correct. The NEA is somewhat terroristic in that it uses fear, and hides behind children, to advance its own goals, with absolutely no concern whatsoever for it's stated purpose: to further the education of children. In fact, the blame for why the educational system is the mess it's in lies squarely at the feet of the NEA.

The real irony is, the NEA doesn't really represent teachers very well, either. Oh, it does with respect to some things, like tenure, which allow horrible teachers to keep their jobs. But the main sticking point with the NEA is that it represents school administration and bureaucracy foremost. If the NEA would allow those administrators to be eliminated, not only could the taxpayer save money, but the schools and teachers could get a cut of those savings.

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But we already knew they had it, and we were looking for other WMD’s

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Which means Bush and his intel was right: Iraq DID have WMDs. We also knew Saddam had one of the world's top bioweapons developers working for him, able to produce bioweapons in short order.

Redrepublican, the reason that President Bush is probably opposed to stem cell research is because they often use the stem cells of human embryos. When the stem cell is extracted from the embryo, it dies, and so it is often compared to abortion by conservatives. As for your proof, here it is: President Bush signed an executive order in 2001 banning the use of federal funds to harvest new lines of stem cells for medical research.

Kerry threw away his Vietnam War medals in protest to the war. A lot of people were protesting that war, and most people still consider it a pointless war. He was exercising his freedom of speech. At least he served, whereas President Bush managed to get into the National Reserves and then went AWOL.

Where do you get the idea that Kerry doesn’t want to stop terrorism, might I ask? Kerry says all of the following:

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“As President, if necessary, I will use military force to protect our security, our people, and our vital interests. But the fight requires us to use every tool at our disposal. Not only a strong military – but renewed alliances, vigorous law enforcement, reliable intelligence, and unremitting effort to shut down the flow of terrorist funds.”

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"We have to do everything we can to stop a nuclear weapon from ever reaching our shore and that mission begins far away."

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"The safety of our people, the security of our country, the memory of our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, neighbors and heroes that we lost on Sept. 11 call on us to win this war that we did not seek".

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None of these quotes seem particularly against stopping terrorism. Seems to me that he wants to fight terrorism- but in a different way than President Bush did. President Bush has only used one source, and that was our military. There are other ways to stop conflict, other approaches to take, and he didn’t use them.

Actually, under the Patriot Act, so many people who obviously aren’t terrorists could be called so. I know somebody who was doing a research project on Islam who got called in by the FBI for “suspicious research”. Somehow, it wouldn’t surprise me if President Bush called a teacher a terrorist. In actuality, Rod Paige, Secretary of Education, did call the largest teacher’s union a “terrorist organization”. He was joking, but it was also his response to the National Education Association lobbying in Washington for more resources so they could meet the “No Child Left Behind” requirements.

Gay marriage, you may feel, is wrong. And that’s fine. But banning it is a violation of a person’s civil rights. The government has no business barging into people’s bedrooms. If you make gay marriage illegal, then why not really crack down on people who have affairs? Or why not people who get divorced? It’s a choice. It’s a right that every person has. Marriage is controlled by the state, anyway.

No one is debating whether or not sarin is a weapon. Of course it is. But we already knew they had it, and we were looking for other WMD’s, which we did not find. This is not to say that Saddam Hussein would never have gotten WMD’s, it’s saying that our whole reason for going to war was false. A lie. It was based on faulty intelligence and the obsession of our president. Also, as a point of information, the US has sarin as well. We also have developed a weapon that can deliver sarin. You don’t have to doubt that we can and will use it.

Oh, and just so you don’t go off calling me stupid and questioning my resources, here is a link to a few of the websites I looked at after an hours worth of research.

cnn.com
johnkerry.com
freerepublic.com
miami.com
alternet.org
washingtonpost.com
http://www.cbwinfo.com/Chemical/Nerve/GB.shtml

Saddam used that nerve agent ot kill lthousands of his own people. he used it to kill the Kurds! it is so a weapon!

for all you calition haters out there, im not iposing my beliefs on anyone. I am just sharing my views like the rest of you and am trying to help people seem my point.

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Bush says terrorism is wrong and he will stop those who are terroist. why would you disagree with that? are you a terrorist? Nancy Reagen wants to fund somthing to further resaerch Alzheimers. why would he be against that? show me proof that he was.
you vote for a guy who throws away his military medals and doesnt want to stop terrorsim and lets people push him around. you go do that.
wow i dont know where you get half your crap 'calls teachers terrorist'? gay marriages and abortion are wrong.


for all you coalition haters out there, im not iposing my beliefs on anyone. I am just sharing my views like the rest of you and am trying to help people seem my point.

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karen,

the soldiers were in mild contact with the gas so it did only cause nausea but if exposed to it directly, it kills. ya only a gallon. do you really think that if we left saddam in power he wouldnt have gotten anymore?? you are either in denial or are truly stupid.

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Redrepublican,

Your name fits you well. You liar. Sarin gas is a weapon we know he had, although it is one of the weapons banned. Weapons inspectors David Kay and Hans Blix say that the weapons was a stary old weapon from the era when Saddam was first in power. It shows no reason that Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction. Anyway, when the weapons inspectors went to Iraq they found no weapons, and when they asked the Americans for information on where weapons might be, the Americans said that they could provide nothing, even with their sophisticated technology and spies in Iraq. There were never any WMD in Iraq. It is time for you Republicans to admit the truth, your president lied.

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to say Bush has done a good job in office is like saying that Clinton was a loyal husband......Bush has a foreign policy....."if you don't like what Bush has to say we will consider you terrorists or against Patriotism"...that's an easy way to put it. I'm sorry, a man who declares teachers terrorists....and is a bigot himself...i.e.-no gay marriages(because he feels he must control everything) and the whole anit-abortion stance(I'd like to see what he says now that Nancy Reagan is pushing for stem cell research---what does he say? no....and deny a woman who was one of the better first ladies to one of the most beloved presidents in history? or yes....and back down like the chump he is on a stance he has adamantly enforced?)anyway.....he may be intelligent but he doesn't know how to deal with people....I'm voting for Kerry this year because he's the lesser of the two evils....hate to burst your republican bubble and stuff

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three or four liters of the deadly sarin nerve agent,

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Oh, yeah. That's frightening. We found, after more than a year, a gallon of "deadly sarin nerve agent" that causes only, apparently, nausea. In comparison to all the dangerous and deadly things, that we, America, have, which country seems to be hoarding the weapons of mass destruction?

well said you brave patriot!



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"May 18, 2004
A Gallon of Sarin
That’s what was inside the artillery shell found yesterday.

Tests of the artillery shell that detonated in Iraq on Saturday have confirmed that it did in fact contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly sarin nerve agent, Defense officials told Fox News Tuesday.
The artillery shell was left as a roadside bomb, the U.S. military said Monday. Two U.S. soldiers were treated for minor exposure to the nerve agent when the 155-mm shell exploded before it could be rendered inoperable. Three liters is about three-quarters of a gallon; four liters is roughly a gallon.

The soldiers displayed “classic” symptoms of sarin exposure — most notably dilated pupils and nausea, officials said. The symptoms ran their course fairly quickly, however, and as of Tuesday, the two had returned to duty."


chemical and biological weapons can easily be dumped into the ground with out ever having a chance of being found. when saddam got even the slightest hint that there was goingt o be war he could have dumped those weapons. as for nuclear weapons, he could have had them transferred to syria ages ago.
how did they fight for little or no reaseon? like you said they were fighting to take out saddam but he was more than just an evil dictator he was a threat to all of humanity. look what he did to his people.


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that insane koltrane said that Americans died for no reason

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"That insane Koltrane" didn't say that, actually. "That insane Koltrane" actually said: "AMERICANS, die, for little to no reason, might I add." What this means is that I ("that insane Koltrane") believe (as in think) that Americans (meaning citizens of Americans) died (as in they are now dead) for little (as in small), to no (as in none), reason (as in purpose). What that means is that I think Americans died for a reason that is somewhere inbetween "little" and "none". That doesn't mean that I believe they died for no reason; Saddam was a reason. But until we find WMD, it is my belief that he did not pose that serious a threat to us, not as much as, say, South Korea, therefore, it is my belief that American soldiers died somewhere, on my hypothetical scale that is rating the purpose of death, between "little" and "no reason".

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dont say that i am language challenged for one second if you think swearing is a good way to get your point across.
heres a revelation swearing just turns more people off.
whats the point of the four asterisks again?

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Do you read anyones posts but mine? Jooky said that swearing is good. It's an awful thing to use a debate. Let me repeat what I have constantly told you. READ.

dont say that i am language challenged for one second if you think swearing is a good way to get your point across.
heres a revelation swearing just turns more people off.
whats the point of the four asterisks again?

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Swearing isn't neccesary but it is terrific! Sometimes I don't even type bad words, I just put in four asteriks! ****!

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A simple lack of vocabulary to describe how you feel without profanity. ::rolls eyes:: Isn't it terrific that our world is becoming language challenged? Now, as I said before, belt up. I'm waiting for intelligence to resurface on this thread.

Swearing isn't neccesary but it is terrific! Sometimes I don't even type bad words, I just put in four asteriks! ****!