lol, you don't know anything.

would you like to know why?

because you post no information about anything ever.

you do not know a single fact to contradict me.

and i love it. ^.^

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
look it. i won.

thread closed.

What did you win other than the princess douchebag award for making no sense whatsoever?

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jesus titty-fucking ice-skating tap-dancing christ

I didnt know u thought so highly of urself lol jkjk.

You both kind of have points i agree more with wolfie though anything any of the bushs' wanted was completely wrong for america and though we hve good intentions we need to remain an isolationist country for now weve been in too many wars and look at us now depleted and depressed.

look it. i won.

thread closed.

hunterforchrist- i'm the anomaly that doesn't. ^.-

Well, he was a great leader.

(no i am not condoning what hitler did, but he was a great leader when it comes to rallying up a following.)

You can't compare what the US to Hitler anyways. The US is the good guy and Hitler was the bad guy.

lol. here let me spell it out clearly for you. Our current/recent foreign policy: is it good or bad. Should it stay the same. Should we continue doing what Bush senior stated: Making sure America remains the only super-power.

jesus titty-fucking ice-skating tap-dancing christ.

Thats intresting i didn't know about that, and im sorry if there was anny offence taken, it's just that the sound of the post was that a person doesn't support anny aspect of the war and i just wanted to get the point across that one can support our troops but not the war.

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Well sometimes some sacrifices have to be made in the hard times of war. We needed help from syria in order to take down that bastard. It doesn't matter if one small country is terrorized for 15 years because all of America's actions are for the greater good.

The end justifies the means. For the greater good, your right. You know who it reminds me of? Lenin, Stalin, dare i say Hitler.

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
lol, I really guess you can't read.

"I would like to debate the US foreign policy"

How many times do I have to say it for it to get through that thick skull.

I also said in my post that this is NO LONGER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO SUPPORT TROOPS. It has evolved into a discussion of the US and global policy

(why do I have to rephrase all of this for you why can't you just read the posts? Everyone else like Someguy and Earth goddess are at least on the same friggin page.)

lol, at least I have given evidence. I don't know what the hell your talking about "written by right wing comedians." It is an ANTHOLOGY with excerpts from a multitude of other books that are about political science and history. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

Lol, the evidence wasn't false. Can you prove to me it is false. Can you find information (with citations) that prove my evidence is false. See, this is exactly why I didn't want to post it because I knew you, no matter what I said, would just disregard it because you have the maturity level of two year old who hates to be wrong.

So I'm trying to have this debate here and all you can say is "Oh your sources are inaccurate." Well how about you say something about the information that didn't come from Rereading America. By the way who do you think that book is written by. I'd just like to know.

But seriously, stop being unproductive, if you want a debate than look at the evidence I have not from Rereading America (none of it is actually from the anthology as that isn't how anthologies work but obviously that's too complex for you to understand.)

As I said before. Put up or shut up. or else I'm just going to have to say I kick your ass when it comes to posting.

FOREIGN POLICY IS NOT A FUCKING DEBATE TOPIC, STUPID!!!

FOREIGN POLICY is a large generalized term for a multitude of topics... what specifically would you like to debate? Foreign policy in Iraq, Foreign Policy of North Korea, Global Bush Doctrine, Obama's foreign policy agenda... come on! Forget it if you're not smart enough to figure that out I am not going to waste my time on you.

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Originally posted by SomeGuy:
I forgot to write this in my earlier post. Its a response, well more like fun trivia, to your devils advocate post wolife.

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In the gulf war we protected our embassies and our people from terrorists like Hussein. And now we have finally put an end to his evil reign with our current war. We are the ones who freed all of his poor abused people.

Fact of the Day:

Did you know that during the Lebanese civil war of 1975-1990 the US of A made an agreement with Syria. The deal was Syria would support the US against Saddam in the Gulf war. In return Syria had the US's permission to take over and occupy Lebanon for the following 15 years. 15 glorious years of expliotation, corruption, oppresion, fear (fearsion for dramatic effect), and prevention of economic healing. Not to forget the kidnappings and the people who disappeared for good, just because they spoke out against the occupation.

Well sometimes some sacrifices have to be made in the hard times of war. We needed help from syria in order to take down that bastard. It doesn't matter if one small country is terrorized for 15 years because all of America's actions are for the greater good.

I forgot to write this in my earlier post. Its a response, well more like fun trivia, to your devils advocate post wolife.

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In the gulf war we protected our embassies and our people from terrorists like Hussein. And now we have finally put an end to his evil reign with our current war. We are the ones who freed all of his poor abused people.

Fact of the Day:

Did you know that during the Lebanese civil war of 1975-1990 the US of A made an agreement with Syria. The deal was Syria would support the US against Saddam in the Gulf war. In return Syria had the US's permission to take over and occupy Lebanon for the following 15 years. 15 glorious years of expliotation, corruption, oppresion, fear (fearsion for dramatic effect), and prevention of economic healing. Not to forget the kidnappings and the people who disappeared for good, just because they spoke out against the occupation.

I see this thread hasnt gone anywhere other than more name calling and useless rants. Wolfie presented credible evidence. Nobody has made any effort to show otherwise. You cannot disprove evidence without new evidence.

It just goes to show that people choose to ignore what they dont like to hear.

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We know what's been done, but most of us let it go because we can't do anything about it, as it all happened either a) before we were born, or b) before we were old enough to vote, protest, understand what's happening, etc.

This is what i referred to in an earlier post on another thread. The US citizens have a privelage which few other citizens of other nations have. As US citizens you can influence your government. Not just by waiting for an election. You can go to the streets and protest and strike. Yes you can argue that people can do that in other countries but the US government, unlike others, tends to listen more to its people. Things are still happening and things must still be protested against.

lol, I really guess you can't read.

"I would like to debate the US foreign policy"

How many times do I have to say it for it to get through that thick skull.

I also said in my post that this is NO LONGER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO SUPPORT TROOPS. It has evolved into a discussion of the US and global policy

(why do I have to rephrase all of this for you why can't you just read the posts? Everyone else like Someguy and Earth goddess are at least on the same friggin page.)

lol, at least I have given evidence. I don't know what the hell your talking about "written by right wing comedians." It is an ANTHOLOGY with excerpts from a multitude of other books that are about political science and history. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

Lol, the evidence wasn't false. Can you prove to me it is false. Can you find information (with citations) that prove my evidence is false. See, this is exactly why I didn't want to post it because I knew you, no matter what I said, would just disregard it because you have the maturity level of two year old who hates to be wrong.

So I'm trying to have this debate here and all you can say is "Oh your sources are inaccurate." Well how about you say something about the information that didn't come from Rereading America. By the way who do you think that book is written by. I'd just like to know.

But seriously, stop being unproductive, if you want a debate than look at the evidence I have not from Rereading America (none of it is actually from the anthology as that isn't how anthologies work but obviously that's too complex for you to understand.)

As I said before. Put up or shut up. or else I'm just going to have to say I kick your ass when it comes to posting.

How do you figure you scored a "home run" you didn't prove anything accept that you can be more arrogant than everyone else. You just came up with a mash of ideas that were patently false and slapped them all on one post and pretended that you were right and everyone else was wrong because you read a book by right wing comedians.

So lets debate something for real. Find a topic to debate. Your personal decision to not support the US soldiers in Iraq is just yours. People that support the troops aren't wrong because they choose to.

Again, I will debate you when you find a topic to debate.

i hope they do quit right now.

i think people misunderstood me.

i don't like people who think they are the best of the best or that they are almighty simply because they enlist.

i hate the bs admiration we give to soldiers. they don't save lives they end them.

why don't we give the same appreciation to doctors or cops or firefighters?

i wish americans weren't so backwards.

Anyways I'd still like to debate global policy if anyone will step up to the plate. I just got a homerun so now it's your turn...

Do i support the war, NO. But yes i support our troops. If they have no one to be supporting them then they mid as well quit now. but for one to say that they don't support they're own army, our own blood and flesh, i just don't think thats right. The war is bad, everyone knows that, but it is our job as humans to support our troops but not the war if you don't feel we belong there, which we don't.

You know what's funny? Why don't you say to Abbadon that he shouldn't be a douche to me?

As it was his first insultive post that started all of this for no reason. then you come along and continue to add to the pool of idiocracy.

Give me some evidence for a debate. because for three posts that's what I've asked for and for three posts I've recieved nothing but crap.

Why can't people be smarter...

Umm, I felt like defending my position from a douche bag who randomly started insulting people in this thread. Then I felt like giving evidence. Then I felt like having a decent debate.

Who the hell tries to make themselves look smart? You either are or you aren't. can you stop assuming things? please. is it possible for you to think without being so assumptive?

just wondering.

lol, you just said everyone in the US knows what the us has done and then you say everyone should know? do you even know what you are talking about?

If you weren't a dumbass you would have noticed how this thread evolved from my first post. I just said I'd like a debate. It's your turn. Where's your information? I'm waiting and I generally don't have patience for this crap but I need a good laugh so have at it.

Irony can be hypocrisy by the way. For example it would be ironic if a priest preached about how all gays go to hell, was gay himself and then went to hell. Stop acting like they are completely unrelated words because well they aren't. sorry you lose.

^.^

Yes I know in debates you don't call the people stupid, do you think Abbadon knows that... maybe he wouldn't have started to act like a douche for no reason then. ^.^


ahhh it's a good day.

this is sooo stress relieving. =;.;=

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Originally posted by Abaddon:
So who actually want's to have a debate? The original post in this thread wasn't even a debate topic, it was just Wolfie being a retard. Wolfie sometimes forgets to properly disseminate fantasy and reality.

There's really nothing to debate. :/

Has the U.S. done bad things? Yes.

Do the American people need to know that? Yes.

Not much to argue there. I think Wolfie just felt like (unsuccessfully) making herself look smart.

So who actually want's to have a debate? The original post in this thread wasn't even a debate topic, it was just Wolfie being a retard. Wolfie sometimes forgets to properly disseminate fantasy and reality.

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You know Wolfie, I love how nobody responded to any of the facts you presented. They completely ignored it and focused on things like this whole hyporcrisy-irony game.

They who? Since none of you can read, I'll say this one last time: I'm not going to dispute her facts because I don't doubt that they're true. I guess I'm just your resident troll.

If wolfie can't hold a debate without being a total d-bag, guess who's gonna show up to purposely ruin her ego trip?

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I mean they literally ignored every single fact you posted. They're accusing you of being immature, now that it hypocrisy. Please dont respond to that with another hypocrisy-irony rant.

I didn't ignore anything. Like I said, I don't dispute any facts she presented. And yes, I know I'm a hypocrite. But at least I can happily admit it.

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wow. i'm just shocked that you can't see that irony and hypocrisy are the same thing. and in my case (irony) worked better. lol you hate being wrong. it's funny.

I'm just shocked that you seriously think two completely unrelated words are the same thing, Ms. Reads-A-Lot.

Hypocrisy: A preacher preaches about how evil gays are, goes homes and has sex with a gay prostitute. He's not being ironic, he's being a hypocrite.

Irony: A preacher preaches about how evil gays are, goes home and finds out his son is gay. Or, A preacher preaches about how evil gays are, on his way home gets into a horrible car crash, and a gay paramedic shows up and saves his life. You wouldn't call that hypocrisy because those are situations/events that are beyond his control and he is not being deceptive.

Get it yet? They are not and never will be interchangeable. You can pretend they're the same all you like to save your pride, but unless you can enlighten me with your genius and prove me wrong then I could indeed argue this forever if need be, because the English language is one of my strengths, my passions. We can take this disagreement to Noisemail if you'd like.

I know exactly what you're going to say, and if you say it, you'll have proven my point.

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Generally in debates. one person states their side and then the other has a rebuttal with facts.

I stated my side. you have not stated you're rebuttal nor your side. So if this were a debate I would be the winner.

Generally in debates, people don't resort to calling those who don't agree with them stupid. And I've already stated that I'm on your side. I just don't like your attitude.

Now if you really want to hold a real debate, then by all means go ahead. I might even back you up with evidence of my own. The second you start insulting people, I won't hesitate to derail the conversation again.

The United States is the liberator of the world. We have saved so many countries from destruction that everyone should be in debt to us, not us in debet to them.

In WW1 and WWII we saved the entire world from the evils that were affecting everyone.

In the Korean and the Vietnam war we stopped the spread of communism.

We also have an embargo with Cuba because the US does not support or deal with terrorists.

During the cold war we were able to scare the USSR so much that it dissolved (haha russians)

In the gulf war we protected our embassies and our people from terrorists like Hussein. And now we have finally put an end to his evil reign with our current war. We are the ones who freed all of his poor abused people.

All in all we are the liberators and that's how it is. And if you're not with us than you're against us!