To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

I think everyone is after Iraq's oil. They have a lot of oil down there.

On my door step when, My system is way better then your corrupt system of governing. Being a sheep helps no one and you fight because your told to, not because you want to. If your right prove it? My proth is in the pudding for we all know the citizens would govern better than one man. Millions of years ago this is how we governed ourselves, until we over populated and needed a representative, but day electronic world there is no need for dictators only self government. You have a good day for tomorrow you may not, being a sheep.

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Originally posted by billrealph:
To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

Going within another country to kill their people is called terrorism, genocide, any such word condoning murder, not war. The purpose of war is to protect ideals or the people who hold those ideals. The purpose of the Iraq War is the protection of freedom for the United States of America. We ourselves experienced an attack on our country and the killing of our people on September 11th, 2001. We want to end terrorism, not incite it. Do NOT tell me our representatives use our military to kill. The United States has a volunteer army. We fight because we believe in our cause. Self-government leads to vulnerability because of conflicting opinions and lack of order. And America will just flutter back in and restore some order to you. So if you don't want to see us on your doorstep, don't start preaching self-government.

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Originally posted by billrealph:
To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

i agree war is murder and it needs to end

Do you even realize how silly that demand sounds? Even if I hadn't read them before now, I could easily scroll down and read them before responding to your post. And what's more, I don't even know how I could prove that the images of the words entered my pupil, reflected upon my retina, traveled down my optic nerve, and were converted into information by my brain. If you'd like, we could meet somewhere and view this thread together so you'd know that I read his arguments.

At any rate, you're ignoring the post where I postulated an answer to a question you posed in response to bill's statement regarding the prices of oil. That's directly related to the arguments he stated.

And for what it's worth, your ad hominem arguments have successfully dragged this topic off-course. I expect the mods will drop in shortly.

Please show em proof that you have even read bill's posts and arguments.

Your claims are unsubstantiated. Makes me feel sorry for you. Well, no, actually. It doesn't.

Do you believe a sane person would run a website like bills? If so, I feel sorry for you.

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I'm more concerned about his arguments, not fictitious problems with his mental health.

Clearly you are not. You have not said one thing about billrealph's arguments. It seems you are more concerned with just following Bushsupporter and myself around.

Yet another ad hominem argument. I'm more concerned about his arguments, not fictitious problems with his mental health.

It's just troubling that Clpo is not concerned with billrealph's mental state. Only a cold person would not be concerned.

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notsojoey:
Clpo, I really feel sorry for you.

Of course you do. Care to explain why, though?

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Easy. OPEC is controlled mainly by Arab countries. Our invasion of an Arab nation provoked them into raising prices.

No, OPEC did not decide to punish the greatest consumer of their good because we invaded Iraq.

Besides, if you theory is true and it i obvious, why didn't the US think of that before they invaded to keep oil prices down?

I understand you do not think we went to war for oil, but the crazy person who started this post does.

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Finally, try to avoid the ad hominem arguments, BS and joey. It makes you look petty when all you can do is feel "concerned for [billrealph's] mental state".

Clpo, I really feel sorry for you.

Once again, I ask the question: if we invaded Iraq for oil then why are oil prices higher than ever?

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notsojoey:
If we invaded Iraq for oil, please explain why the cost of oil is higher than ever.

Easy. OPEC is controlled mainly by Arab countries. Our invasion of an Arab nation provoked them into raising prices.

And before you ask: no, I don't have a source for that (it's a guess), and no, I don't believe we invaded Iraq for oil. You asked a question, and I answered.

Finally, try to avoid the ad hominem arguments, BS and joey. It makes you look petty when all you can do is feel "concerned for [billrealph's] mental state".

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How did Iraq threaten Australia?

Islamic fascism threatens the entire free world. You should be happy your government is willing to take action before Australia suffers their own 9/11.

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We are at war because Saddam tried to kill bush's father and to test new military devices on other people also the oil of course.

Why would Australia care that Saddam tried to kill Bush Senior? Besides, no logical person argues that is the reason for the invasion of Iraq.

A democratic nation has never engaged in a war to test new weapons.

If we invaded Iraq for oil, please explain why the cost of oil is higher than ever.

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All military departments within all countries are war mungers

Not true, you sound link Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory.

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Many people govern without representative and have no wars.

Dictators don't start wars? Give me a break. Explain Hitler, Stalin, or any other dictator. These countries get the added benefit of having a dictator that abuses his own people.

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The majority may rule but by a two-third majority that shall save the minority, you must under estimate people?

Minority rights will never exist in a popular government based solely off national elections.

This is all I could understand from your previos posts.

How did Iraq threaten Australia? We are at war because Saddam tried to kill bush's father and to test new military devices on other people also the oil of course.
All military departments within all countries are war mungers, they get sick of waiting to fight in which they are trained to do.
Wars can be avoidable by stoping corrupt representaives by self government. Many people govern without representative and have no wars.

The Debate department shall choose which people are chosen in each debate, if the people are not happy with the decision of the debate department it will be debated upon when they are reviewed. When their turn comes up in alphabetical order.

The people govern each and every government department in alphabetical order.

Why can't people vote on all issue of concern they may have? Local issue will before local people within their community to vote and debate upon. National issues shall be for all of Australians to debate and vote upon.

We the people govern the military department as they would every government department, you govern all issues of concern within your home, same thing. What better things do you have to do then govern your country the best way you can as a individual.

So you a saying democracies and republics work and are good, if so wake up look around, what good have they done? They work for the private sector not the public. To me it sounds like you like or are use to being dictated to, or are you a so called representative yourself.

The majority may rule but by a two-third majority that shall save the minority, you must under estimate people?

All so, I have done many thing for the people not just this. As I said before what have you done?

Writing an incoherent "constitution" that would never, ever pass does not count as doing something.

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People are choosen from people that are directly involved with the issues of concern as well as the private sector that wish to enter the Debate

Who decides which people "are directly involved"?

I'll go ahead and tell you what I am getting at. Someone has to be in charge. People cannot vote on every issue of importance to a nation. And if they could, who runs the military or the "debate department", and how are they chosen? Don't you realize that a democratic republic is the only just and right way to run a government. It is so because the will of the majority may not trample on the minority. If your government was in power, slavery would still be around in America.

You are right about telling the truth, maybe our representatives need to know this? Sheep may always be sheep, lead to the slaughter yard year after year nothing changers. I do things for others and myself of course, not just talk about things or whing.

I should let you know that the Debate Department decides on who is in a debate.
People are choosen from people that are directly involved with the issues of concern as well as the private sector that wish to enter the Debate, You may need to read the constitution propery to know?