I am SO SICK of all this Iraq stuff! We need to get our troops out of there! 20,000 more people who are at the risk of dying because our president doesn't care about the impact he's making on SO MANY LIVES. What more will he do to destroy the U.S. in the next year?
Well the thing is, there is always the unknown, we can't live in the "what could have been" world. The world we live in is now and we have to live with it.
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Well the thing is, there is always the unknown, we can't live in the "what could have been" world. The world we live in is now and we have to live with it.
yeah well a couple of summers ago (im probably guessing 2003/2004?) the whole 9/11 thing was still fresh in peoples mind. instead why didnt you go to a new york airport? you probably would have gotten the same reaction close to anywhere you went. where was i? i have been to Bahrain, Saudi and Iraq. i just loved how they told us to act "not american" considering we were all mainly white with military haircuts. sure. i understand that people hate bush, but honestly i dont think it would have been different if kerry, gore or anyone else was in office. 9/11 was just bound to happen.
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ok im catholic and from arizona. big deal right? just because people in jordan dont want to kill americans it must mean that everyone else in the middle east doesnt.
Funny you should mention Arizona. Couple summers ago when my family was vacationing there, you wouldn't believe the death stares we got from the locals. You could see it in their eyes, they wanted to kill us... really. But here's the thing, we don't turn around and elect officials who will try to blow Arizona up and then pretend they're saving it. And I've been to Palestine and Lebanon a few times too, and nobody there really seemed like they wanted to kill Americans either. Where were you in the Middle East?
I didn't mean that there is no one in the Middle East (or anywhere else <.< who wants to kill you, but as you may or may not have noticed, I was talking down to the idiot who thought America is at war in Iraq because of Iranian death chants. There are radicals everywhere that hate America because, let's face it, you're pretty hatable but that's not specific to the Middle East. And Bush is the cause for a lot of that and should therefore be mocked and discredited.
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When was the last time we were in jordan fighting terrorists?
Yaaaaa that's cause you give us shitloads of foreign aid..making radicals hate us...causing us to be victims of terroist attacks. It's a vicious cycle, and as usual the USA is the root of it. It's not about hating the US though, it's about trying to force political change. When something like 9-11 happens, the most important thing is to understand why someone hates you that much, and clearly Bush will never understand that. JORDAN was bombed because we agree blindly with all American policies and never stand up for neighboring countries just to make sure we get our aid cheques on time. Why was the US attacked?
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and that must mean they dont harbor terrorists either right? being from an ancient empire and all im sure they are all fun loving people. invite them over for christmas dinner kind of folks.
I almost laughed at that but then I realized that you where just trying to cover up your total lack of knowledge on the middle east.
You suffer an accute case of Wilsonian Idealism, I've allready diagnosed it before on here, and I'm not suprised you have it also. It causes you to beleive the United States of America holds inherently good intentions for everyone, and that everything it does is in the greater interest of humanity. It's somewhat similar to schizophrenia. Check wikipedia for a simple description of the ailment and possible treatment.
I have been to the middle east on 3 seperate occasions and yes they do want to kill you. you can just see the look in their eyes, it was the way they were raised. to hate americans, plain and simple.
That seems rather like a generalization. And Sphinx was saying that, prior to our invasion of Iraq, no one there wanted to kill us. The main America-hating was going on in Iraq and Saudi Arabia before we decided to depose Saddam and ruin a perfectly stable country.
I have a buddy who spent roughly a year there and he says not all Muslims want to kill us. What now?
...ok good for your friend.
when did i ever say that all muslims want to kill us? Sphinx said that no one wants us dead and i said people want us dead. not every muslim. What now?
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seeing as how ive spent over 14 months over there. but i guess its a "you have to see it to believe it" kind of experience.
I have a buddy who spent roughly a year there and he says not all Muslims want to kill us. What now? I mean, obviously if you're in Iraq with the mission of fighting insurgents, you're going to encounter people who want to kill Americans. But saying all Muslims want to see us in hell is like saying all Christians firebomb abortion clinics.
Oh, and Sphinx is Muslim. And she lives in Jordan. I think she knows what she's talking about
ok im catholic and from arizona. big deal right? just because people in jordan dont want to kill americans it must mean that everyone else in the middle east doesnt. when was the last time we were in jordan fighting terrorists? i think im pretty well qualified to talk about it too, seeing as how ive spent over 14 months over there. but i guess its a "you have to see it to believe it" kind of experience.
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but what you probably didn't know is that Iran isn't even an Arab nation
and that must mean they dont harbor terrorists either right? being from an ancient empire and all im sure they are all fun loving people. invite them over for christmas dinner kind of folks.
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while there were no found WMD's does that mean that they didnt exist at one point and time?
I take you mean back in the 80's when we where the ones supplying them?
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iran and iraq are 2 different countries? when did this happen? hopefully you can sense the sarcasm.
I an sure sense the sarcasm, but what you probably didn't know is that Iran isn't even an Arab nation, Iran is what remains of the ancient Persian empire, whilst their religion is the same their culture is completely different, they don't even speak Arabic, they speak Farsi, and even though they are led by fundamentalist muslims, they have some of the most tolerant and modern postures towards cientific research in the world. Iran is a country with a fascist leader, but socially their culture is not primitive or violent in any aspect.
and while there were no found WMD's does that mean that they didnt exist at one point and time? maybe, and i might be going out on a limb here, but maybe they.........MOVED THEM!!!
You are aware, aren't you, that with lack of evidence towards the existence of WMDs, we can't actually call Iraq out on possessing them? It's like busting someone for crack. If they ditched the crack before you arrested them, you have no evidence that they ever had any, which means you can't prosecute them on possession of crack, no matter how badly you want to or how convinced you are that they've been using it.
Iraq, in all probability, had WMDs. But that doesn't matter, now does it? We didn't catch them with it, so to the rest of the world, our little invasion was completely unjustified. It's like breaking into someone's house without a warrant.
Oh, and Sphinx is Muslim. And she lives in Jordan. I think she knows what she's talking about.
Dude, there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No one there wanted to kill you and besides, you're not even in war with Iraq anymore. And Iran is NOT THE SAME as Iraq! DIFFERENT COUNTRIES! Staying in Iraq has nothing to do with everything you're talking about. READ A NEWSPAPER BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Wow this post makes me laugh. First off have you ever been to the middle east? chances are NO so you need to shut up and stop talking about something you have no clue about. I have been to the middle east on 3 seperate occasions and yes they do want to kill you. you can just see the look in their eyes, it was the way they were raised. to hate americans, plain and simple. and oh my god. iran and iraq are 2 different countries? when did this happen? hopefully you can sense the sarcasm. and while there were no found WMD's does that mean that they didnt exist at one point and time? maybe, and i might be going out on a limb here, but maybe they.........MOVED THEM!!! but no they are way too stupid to know that the UN is going to come and search their country for WMDs so im sure they would have just left them laying around right? You are the one that needs to procure a newspaper, my witless chum.
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I'd love to see an end to the war, but just pulling out of there all at once won't work. I'm not saying Bush hasn't handled this as well as he might have, but he did prevent New York from becoming a, as Clpo so nicely put it "radioactive crader." If we don't take care of the remaining terrorist groups is Iraq, the groups will grow stronger, and still hate the US, and we'd basicly have another 9/11 on our hands.
And how would that have happened? Have I missed something? I think not. In truth, and adheering to statistics on terrorist activity, deaths caused by terrorism, and ideological slant towards ultra nationalism in the mid east, the world is much more insecure today than it was before, and all of it thanks to the White House's Imperialistic expansionism in the middle east. The Bush administration deserves no slack, none.
Originally posted by mike234: you idiots bashing Bush show nothing but ignorance, what do you say we do about thes psyco's in iraq who want to kill us? what do you think will happen when Iran gets nukes? after saying constantly they want to blow isreal off the map and chants death to America every day after their mourning prayer, you people who say get out of Iraq makes me sick
Dude, there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No one there wanted to kill you and besides, you're not even in war with Iraq anymore. And Iran is NOT THE SAME as Iraq! DIFFERENT COUNTRIES! Staying in Iraq has nothing to do with everything you're talking about. READ A NEWSPAPER BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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who wants to kill you, but as you may or may not have noticed, I was talking down to the idiot who thought America is at war in Iraq because of Iranian death chants. There are radicals everywhere that hate America because, let's face it, you're pretty hatable but that's not specific to the Middle East. And Bush is the cause for a lot of that and should therefore be mocked and discredited. 
