this was posted last week in the government forum:

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This week there were three more suicide bombing in Palestine. The violence is only esalating. What does everyone think of the situation there? Can we reasonably hope for peace? Should we? Is either side "right" or "wrong"? Is anyone totally lost without any notion of the situation?

~Enj

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i also think it should be fair to give another point of view on this topic; a 15 year old boy was shot to death by israeli troops for throwing rocks with his friends at israeli tanks. the rock throwing was meant as a demonstration of courage and patriotism. his brother just enlisted in the Jihad militant force yesterday.

for years it's been an ongoing struggle of "i'm going o pick up a gun and kill the jew that killed my (place relative here)." or "i'm going to pick up a gun and kill the arab who killed my (place relative here)."

how do we stop the bloodbath? neither side is in the right; ariel sharon is a war criminal who killed 1300 of his own men in a battle, and we all know yassir arafat as a terrorist. yet we (america) continue to ship arms to israel to aid in there fight. is it america's fight? please offer suggestions

humbly,
Hexx

The fighting between the Isrealites and the Palestinans have existed for a long while. It's a semi-complicated story that I learned in Social Studies. Bascially, they're fighting over the hole land, Jersulam, and they think it belongs to the other. If I remember correctly, but don't quote me ^_^;;, the Palestinans were pushed to the borders of Jordan during the 6-Day War, which the Isrealites won. The Palestinans were supposed to have been developing terrorist camps to kill the Isrealites.

Bill Clinton did attempt to calm the fighting between them, but the Israel PM was assassinated by a Palestinan. I think that's one of the reasons the Arabs/Middle Easterns hate us so much... for getting into their business. This fighting has been going on for awhile. Who are we to go in there and fix it? Let people handle their own issues before you do it for them.

That's what i think ^_^

im not talking about israel. im talking about dicatator countries that we gave money to that just kept it and if the people were lucky 10 percent was doled out to them.

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"we cannot just give money to the country because what makes you think sadddam doesnt just keep the money?"-redrepublican

We give money to other countries all of the time, Red. We give the middle east money even! I would of thought that you knew that. We give Israel money. Why do you think our national debt is growing by leaps and bounds... because we're funding our schools? Yeah, sure, that's it. Wink wink.

help is what we are doing. sometimes help includes taking out an evil dictator to help a suffering country. we cannot just give money to the country because what makes you think sadddam doesnt just keep the money? we have sween it before in Africa and iraq.
everyone is biased whtether you know it or not.

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-----"""it is our job as superpower to help other countries."""

Keyword there; help. The definition of help is not invade or control.


-----"""yes i am biased we are all biased. you are showing your bias right there calling what conservatives say bull ****.

I'm not biased. Saying I don't like conservative bull**** doesn't make me biased; I don't like liberal bull**** any better. But there is far less liberal bull**** than conservative.


-----"""unbias news? good luck finding it. youd rather watch a terrorist news station instead of FOX? wow if that isnt ummm... interesting?"""

I didn't say I wanted to watch a terrorist news station. Moving to Canada does not mean you are a terrorist and/or traitor to the U.S., Hitler.

Celtic, that sounds sucky. You'd be a greatly welcomed #51, and I think it would probably be best for Puerto Rico to be safe and wealthy under American protection; you might lose independance and part of your culture, but you will always be safe and prolly better off with our money. I know little about Puerto Rico, just guessing.

who are you talking to????

(you wont be a superpower for long if you continue with this bull****)

it is our job as superpower to help other countries. yes i am biased we are all biased. you are showing your bias right there calling what conservatives say bull ****. unbias news? good luck finding it. youd rather watch a terrorist news station instead of FOX? wow if that isnt ummm... interesting?

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we pay what we call Planilla. which is a hell lot of money depending on your yearly income (this year it was $75,000 for my fam). part of that cash goes to the U.S.

there was an election in 2000 whether we should be independant, stay as a commonealth, or become a state. the people chose to stay a commonwealth.

-arianhorn

does P.R. pay taxes to the united states? its pretty much the same for the civil stuff. you need to get approval for it. washington seems to lose touch with the world from time to time, and itself. if puerto rico infact does become a state maybe things will change. btw, what ever happened to the wole statehood thing?

life is the same as in the U.S. only that we speak Spanish and English.

We're not restricted from doing stuff. But like we cant trade with their enemies, if we want to name something a National Park we need their permission, constructing a building for civil uses (i think its called civil uses, right?) we also need permission, etc.

Its like, say you want to go to the movies. You can go, you just need your parents approval. Its mostly like that.

My only thing that I've truly hated about our commonwealth is that when the birth control pill was created, they sent us a lot just to test them. It didint work. And not only did the women get pregant, but their kids were born without an arm, without legs, etc. That pissed me off, even if i was born normal.

Another thing that I dont like is that if your economy decreases, ours does instantly too. If Bush changes a law, our law MUST get changed. Saying it like my grandfather, the U.S. throws a fart, we smell it.

To finish it all off, we cant vote in the U.S. Presidential Elections. I mean, after all this, and how we get affected by anything regarding the U.S., shouldnt we be able to vote for President??

again, i have nothing against the U.S. (only the prez though), i just dont like the commonwealth. i believe that either we should be independent or we should be a state. a commonwealth puts us in the middle

-arianhorn

celtic, you're 16, so you arent really given full rights for another 2 years. i dont know what life is like in Puerto Rico. does washington keep a more strict watch over P.R.? what things are you restricted from by the gov't?

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No. I don't have to move to Canada just because I want to watch unbiased news; I think I'll keep my *** right here and point out conservatively biased bull****. If you don't like it, YOU can move to Canada. I hear they love overly patriotic Americans.

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thats exactly why i am moving to canada. im sick of this country having to ask for permission from the U.S. to do everything. i dont have anything against the U.S., i just dont like the commonwealth thing.

-arianhorn

While I certainly don't condone suicide bombing and other terrorist actions towards Israel, I do think that American policy has been too one sided and unfair towards the Palestinians.


Unfortunately, one of the reasons has a lot to do with religion. We have a president in office who gets his advice on mid east foreign policy from bible so-called 'prophecy experts' like Jack Van Impe, believes that he is doing his god's work by being so biased towards Israel since the Bible claims it will be ground zero for the 'apocalypse'.

While I totally support a president's right to have their own religious beliefs, it is very dangerous and disturbing to mix foreign policy with the christian apocalyptic worldview, since it is merely based on subjective belief and could have some very scary consequences.

Israel has done some inexusable things with the monetary and military support of the US, like dropping bombs on entire neighborhoods because one or two suspected terrorists were supposedly in that area. Hardly the kind of 'surgical' strike which is supposedly the American warfar policy, and much more like the Scorched Earth policy.

Israel has also violated terms by continuing to expand their settlements beyond the borders originally agreed upon at the end of the war with palestinians in the 60s', yet America continues to support this. Kind of ironic since Bush is not being consistant on this point when it comes to upholding bargains and policies. He makes a big deal over upholding the UN resolution on saddam's supposed WMD's, wherever they are, but totally ignores the agreement Israel made to not expand its borders and continues to support violating this.

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Leave other countries alone. They are not part of America. They don't have our beliefs, they don't have our type of government... That's why they are a different country.

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1) Israel is not part of America but it just so happens that they are one of our closest allies. We are part of the reason Israel is still around!

2) Yes, yes americans and israelis beive the same things. there are 6 million jews in the united states which equates to about 2%. however american society reflects the number to be much more than that. there is a seperation between chucrch and state, meaning we should not just be biased on the basis of their beliefs.

3) yes, israel does share a common government. but i think their system is more alike to that of the brittish. they have a one house legislautre (the knesset) and a prime minister and a president. they believe in democratic govenment, everyone votes and can take part in what happens.

4) there are countries all around the world that need help that dont think at all like americans do. but if it werent for america, people could and very well would starveif it werent for us to serve as an intervention.

it is not always in our best intrests to get involved with other peoples roblems. but eventually their problems will become our own.

"i have a suggestion:

Leave the Arabs alone and fix problems in YOUR own country. The U.S. has a tendency of screwing thier country while "helping" the other. Newsflash: Few people want help.

-arianhorn"


I have to agree with Celtic. We need to leave everyone alone. If they wanted our help they need to become part of the U.S which I'm sure would suite Bush fine considering that it seems that he is trying to take over the whole world anyway.

Leave other countries alone. They are not part of America. They don't have our beliefs, they don't have our type of government... That's why they are a different country.

-----"""ICELAND if you know nothing then you have no right to damn what i say you **** hole."""

Yes I do. I just know you are biased in some way, most likey towards America, and therefore; towards Israel simply by virtue of America liking Israel; and your post just sounded like it. Sorry if I have been zinging you a lot lately, but meh, there has been a lot to zing.


-----"""not every arab is evil. you *******."""

DUH. I KNOW that; when I said that it was sarcasm pointing out that that is a false perception people are getting from the media. And, to Americans, Israel isn't really considered an Arab country at all.


-----"""if you dont like it then ****ing move to canada where you can watch al-jazeera but you cant watch fox news. they suport a terroist sympathetic newws media over a prominent law abiding news station."""

No. I don't have to move to Canada just because I want to watch unbiased news; I think I'll keep my *** right here and point out conservatively biased bull****. If you don't like it, YOU can move to Canada. I hear they love overly patriotic Americans.

i didint say bush only did it. most presidents have. its a tradition in the U.S. government.

theyll leave you alone its just that youre annoying them.

-arianhorn

one country is doing fine two, we have seen that if we do leave them alone things only get worse, so we step in and try to help peace. and FYI clinton stuck his nose in plaestinains and isrealis business too.

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i have a suggestion:

Leave the Arabs alone and fix problems in YOUR own country. The U.S. has a tendency of screwing thier country while "helping" the other. Newsflash: Few people want help.

-arianhorn