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Yeah maybe Saddam did kill his people and dishonor his women, but that's his business. We have no right to tell him how to run his country and people. We have problems of our own and we're trying to solve someone else's.

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Oh boy is this a juicy one...

See, your statement just implied that you do not beleive in democracy in any form. It was not "Saddam's country" and the people inside of it were not his to do with what he pleased. That's moronic to even imply that. A country belongs to it's people. Saddam was not democratically elected, and was loathed by the general population. Meaning, somone, anyone would be justified in removing him from power.

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Also it was sick what those Americans did to the prisoners, but stuff happens to our soldiers everyday that we don't hear about. Some people like to make us look bad and some poeple makes it easier by doing things like that. I don't think we should look down on our soldiers for making a mistake.

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That was a bit more sensible.

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Yeah exactly their government. Why are we so worried about the way they run their country? We don't see people coming over here form other places trying to get Bush out of office and lock him up.

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God knows there are people that would love to do that though. We are worried about the way they run thier country because ultimately, in a global society, it affects us.

Yeah exactly their government. Why are we so worried about the way they run their country? We don't see people coming over here form other places trying to get Bush out of office and lock him up. Yeah maybe Saddam did kill his people and dishonor his women, but that's his business. We have no right to tell him how to run his country and people. We have problems of our own and we're trying to solve someone else's. Also it was sick what those Americans did to the prisoners, but stuff happens to our soldiers everyday that we don't hear about. Some people like to make us look bad and some poeple makes it easier by doing things like that. I don't think we should look down on our soldiers for making a mistake.

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thought Bushs' mission in the first place was to capture Saddamm(done)and get this so called "bomb". What the heck are they thinking going off and killing Iraqi civillians!

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One, that is not the mission in Iraq. The mission is to establish a stable democratic govnerment. This may involve killing those who don't want said government and are attacking us.

Two, there are two scenerios out there right now about the "wedding party". One, that the Iraqis were firing automatic weapons into the air to celebrate, and our troops interpreted this as incoming fire. And two, this wedding party was not a party at all. They found many automatic weapons. A military transmitter, and other supicous stuff there. We just don't go around blasting places indecriminantly. We had suspiscion.

Can you remove a president from office? Even if he didn't do anything " illegal "?

I thought Bushs' mission in the first place was to capture Saddamm(done)and get this so called "bomb". What the heck are they thinking going off and killing Iraqi civillians! Don't get them involved. They didn't really do nothing until you came up there and started slaying them like bulls. He started it off wrong, (Bush), and he should finish it off right before the next presidnet has to come along and figure out what the heck to do next.(God Forbid)>

For a suspected foreign safehouse for fighters from Syria.
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By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A U.S. aircraft fired on a house in the desert near the Syrian border Wednesday, and Iraqi officials said more than 40 people were killed, including children. The U.S. military said the target was a suspected safehouse for foreign fighters from Syria, but Iraqis said a helicopter had attacked a wedding party.
U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Party
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Associated Press Television News footage showed a truck containing bloodied bodies, many wrapped in blankets, piled one atop the other. Several were children, one of whom was decapitated. The body of a girl who appeared to be less than 5 years of age lay in a white sheet, her legs riddled with wounds and her dress soaked in blood.


The attack happened about 2:45 a.m. in a desert region near the border with Syria and Jordan, according to Lt. Col. Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of Ramadi, the provincial capital about 250 miles to the east. He said 42 to 45 people died, including 15 children and 10 women. Dr. Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at 45
Military officials in Washington refused to address the question of whether anyone from a wedding party was among the people killed.

Another man shown on the tape, who refused to give his name, said the victims were at a wedding party "and the U.S. military planes came ... and started killing everyone in the house."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack

First off I think what those American troops did is totally sick and inhumane. But what I don’t get is what the f*** were those tropes thinking doing that. If I was the leader of some other country I wouldn’t want anything to do with the U.S. Lots of people don’t like our country any how....and now with our own people doing this! I'm disgusted! I think that the people should get the maximum amount of punishment possible as well.

my point exactly

your so right i never thought of it that way

I dont know about others, but i think we should have a religious section where we can talk also. if ya feeling me holla God Bless

What the hell changed in 60 years? In WWII, we treated POW's with dignity. In Korea same story. Again in Vietnam, but our ROK (S.Korea) counterparts did not. In Gulf War I we did a good job. So why now? What the **** is their problem? We have respected POW's from day 1. So why change? It makes us lose our surperiority doing crap like that.

This thread is gettin annoying, we just keep on repeating our arguments.

It's my personal opinion that we need to worry about anyone who's being tortured and humiliated, no matter which side they're on or who they're being tortured by. Of course we should be concerned about our men and women overseas, and of course we should be concerned about these prisoners being tortued--there's no need to be concerned only for one to the exclusion of the other. And to me, at least, it's not about Bush--it's about the fact that completely reprehensible and disgusting acts are being committed against human beings.

What about the Iraqis torturing American and Colliation POWs w/ shock treatment and other brutal methods of torture? We should be worrying about the hostages and men and women over seas instead of the Iraqis we have imprisoned. I'm sure the US army will take action against the soldiers in the pics. but now that is all the press is covering and people are now telling Bush to take action. This is just more dirtagainst Bush. Treatment of prisioners is something Bush has little say so why don't we all just focus on Iraq.

I'm well aware of what fabricating is. My point (though I admit I stated it poorly--didn't translate well from my head to my computer screen) was that I would think that since Pres. Bush has issued statements that these people need to pay, the pics have been verified. I would think the US military would be rather unhappy about these developments, and surely the government would be able to identify fabricated pictures? It would be stupid of the New Yorker to use fake photos, or to make the article up out of thin air.

you know what fabricating means right jen-well since you really don't it's creating false pics, articles,etc. Sure, someone could have paid people to do that or created a digital image of it. I'm not saying it isn't true, I just highly doubt that it is.

There are pictures. Now, I suppose it's possible the New Yorker paid someone to pose as Iraqi prisoner jerking himself off, but I don't think it's highly likely.

Here's a question: why doesn't 60 minutes do a report on how Iraqis torture POW's?

Because...It's liberal media!!!

The New Yorker is pretty much a liberal tabloid. Iraqis being forced to masturbate=probably fabricated.

Here's a link to the article they had about it in the New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact
There's a link to some of the pictures taken in little red text to the right of the article. American soldiers grinning like fools at hooded, naked Iraqis being forced to masturbate or piled in pyramids. Graphic (though some bits are edited out), so beware. Doesn't this just inspire confidence in our military? Don't you feel warm and fuzzy now?

Here's a question: why doesn't 60 minutes do a report on how Iraqis torture POW's?

Because...It's liberal media!!!