To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

I am grateful, you are right and thank for your knowledge. Go the world needs you, thanks again.

I gather we should defend your self in all matters. Also as an individual take our Wright full punishment if to be wrong.

Now I'm just in love.

Thanks for taking my criticsm positively and not being offended.
I agree with you. Although I do despise wars, I understand they are inevitable. Thats why I side with wars fought for self-defense. Or countries fighting to defend themselves.

But wars are not pure black and white. There's usually a gray area. And as we see in many cases today the definition of self-defense may not really mean self-defense.

when the country of america could fall apart because of this war we should fight because it's being DEFENSIVE. when other countries are having problems and we decided to GO to war its stupid because then it puts our country's existence at risk. so i guess i'm biased for survival.

also i know people cannot think without bias because most people aren't even aware that they are biased and it's very hard to get rid of self-bias (or need to live)

thank you for being so smart in pointing out my hypocrisies, you just proved that even the greatest minds cannot remove bias. i would give you a sticker if i knew you just for being soo great! ^.^

Hi, thanks for your interest. I have a lot to learn from people like you if you have the time to help me with this system I would be thankful my email is williamcrealph@hotmail.com Hope to here from you soon. Bill

You have an interesting notion but you contradict yourself. You say wars are for idiots but then you support them in certain cases. Also you say "if everyone could remove bias from their thoughts...", but then you support that idea with bias opinions about war. By saying revolutionary, civil, wwi and wwii helped you and being against the spanish war, the korean, etc you yourself are being bias. I still support your ideas but i just wanted to point out to you how you contradict yourself.

Wars are for idiots who are not satisfied with what they have. This is a fool's war started by the biggest fool ever. Remember, we are technically not at war, just like Vietnam wasn't a war, just orders from the guy on top. If everyone could remove bias from their thoughts the world would be soo much more efficient... for instance wars that helped us... revolutionary, civil, wwi and wwii. wars that did not help us... getting into the spainish war... the korean war... vietnam... and now iraq.

Hi, just to let you know we are going strong we have most counties of the world viewing our Individual Two-Third Majority Vote Self-Government, also the threat from you about comming to my door step for introducing this constitution is a little harsh, but not to worry we have had death threats before. Get a gripe this is the only real and true democracy rule of the people not representatives. This is the system of governing a country that can save this planet, do have a better solution if so out with it if not join us. Billrealph

To stop wars is to stop your so called representatives that cause these wars. A real democracy is rule of the people not representatives time to wake up and stop being fooled. To stop this corruption is to govern as individuals together within all countries. How is simple www.selfgovernment.tk

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And then you will lose all your rights including your right to sit here and complain about war!

This is already happening, albeit very slowly. War erodes our civil liberties, but it's not the "enemy" who's behind it.

Also, it's illogical to say that if we left Iraq we would be attacked. We are at risk of terrorist attacks at all times. It doesn't matter what country we're currently occupying. In fact, putting all our forces in another country leaves us unable to respond to another attack, should one occur.

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Originally posted by billrealph:
To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

i agree war is murder and it needs to end

Hey you know what if we pull out of Iraq we are going to get attacked again. And then you will lose all your rights including your right to sit here and complain about war! so come on sense up and at least think about the consequences of no war.

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Going within another country to kill their people is called terrorism, genocide, any such word condoning murder, not war. The purpose of war is to protect ideals or the people who hold those ideals. The purpose of the Iraq War is the protection of freedom for the United States of America. We ourselves experienced an attack on our country and the killing of our people on September 11th, 2001. We want to end terrorism, not incite it. Do NOT tell me our representatives use our military to kill. The United States has a volunteer army. We fight because we believe in our cause. Self-government leads to vulnerability because of conflicting opinions and lack of order. And America will just flutter back in and restore some order to you. So if you don't want to see us on your doorstep, don't start preaching self-government.


Si vis pacem, para bellum.



Thank you! at least someone gets it!

I think everyone is after Iraq's oil. They have a lot of oil down there.

On my door step when, My system is way better then your corrupt system of governing. Being a sheep helps no one and you fight because your told to, not because you want to. If your right prove it? My proth is in the pudding for we all know the citizens would govern better than one man. Millions of years ago this is how we governed ourselves, until we over populated and needed a representative, but day electronic world there is no need for dictators only self government. You have a good day for tomorrow you may not, being a sheep.

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Originally posted by billrealph:
To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

Going within another country to kill their people is called terrorism, genocide, any such word condoning murder, not war. The purpose of war is to protect ideals or the people who hold those ideals. The purpose of the Iraq War is the protection of freedom for the United States of America. We ourselves experienced an attack on our country and the killing of our people on September 11th, 2001. We want to end terrorism, not incite it. Do NOT tell me our representatives use our military to kill. The United States has a volunteer army. We fight because we believe in our cause. Self-government leads to vulnerability because of conflicting opinions and lack of order. And America will just flutter back in and restore some order to you. So if you don't want to see us on your doorstep, don't start preaching self-government.

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Originally posted by billrealph:
To go within any country and kill their people is a crime. Would you like it if I came in your house and killed you or your family. Wake up war is murder, Australian that have died over sea's are still there, less we forget. Your so call represenatives use you to kill. If someone come to your door to kill you, it is self defence. To stop war is govern your own countries without representative hwho only represent them self. www.selfgovernment.tk

i agree war is murder and it needs to end

Do you even realize how silly that demand sounds? Even if I hadn't read them before now, I could easily scroll down and read them before responding to your post. And what's more, I don't even know how I could prove that the images of the words entered my pupil, reflected upon my retina, traveled down my optic nerve, and were converted into information by my brain. If you'd like, we could meet somewhere and view this thread together so you'd know that I read his arguments.

At any rate, you're ignoring the post where I postulated an answer to a question you posed in response to bill's statement regarding the prices of oil. That's directly related to the arguments he stated.

And for what it's worth, your ad hominem arguments have successfully dragged this topic off-course. I expect the mods will drop in shortly.

Please show em proof that you have even read bill's posts and arguments.