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Picture of confettikiss06
Registered: October 26, 2003
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It's extremely humiliating, however it is NOT torture.


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you are equating it with higher forms of torture


You're contradicting yourself there. Even if it's a low form of torture, it's still torture.

Those soldiers were masochists.
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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Rape is not child's play.
Sexual abuse is not child's play
Public humiliation and mental distress are not child's play


You took that out of context. This, compared to acid baths and all that fun stuff, is not an atrocity. Seriously now.

I would much rather take a broom stick up my @ss than have a limb amputated, or my face melted off. It's terrible, but people are not putting this into context when they look at this.

Edit: I'm not trying to justify this. But if you are equating it with higher forms of torture, then you, with all respect, need a reality check.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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DrStrangelove, here, I completely disagree.

This is true atrocity. When one's beliefs are so strongly violated (as they were in these cases), not only is it humiliating, but it does something to the victim's mind. Sexual abuse such as this can cause many, many mental health disorders, which is a further problem in their society.

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What we did was child's play .

Rape is not child's play.
Sexual abuse is not child's play
Public humiliation and mental distress are not child's play
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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And havent you heard about the killings of prisoners for no reason? What about the prisoner who was given to be attacked by dogs? Or what about the one shot in both legs then beaten? What about those?


There are a lot of reports about a lot of things. What has been confirmed is a different story. If you have confirmation then let me see it.

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do you realize that the definition of torture is much greater than that you have provided? Sexual harrasment, which was commited upon Iraqi prisoners, is torture, and his should be regarded as no other.


Yes I do, which is why I think that these soldiers should be prosecuted and sentenced post-haste. Because it's torture in a LEGAL sense. However, You must acknowladge that there are varying levels of torture. Even these abuses, which are apalling to our country and our government, are childs play when compared to what has happened in the past, and what is happening now. To call us monsters is rediculous.
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Registered: May 12, 2004
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You make interesting Points, Dr. S, however, do you realize that the definition of torture is much greater than that you have provided? Sexual harrasment, which was commited upon Iraqi prisoners, is torture, and his should be regarded as no other. And havent you heard about the killings of prisoners for no reason? What about the prisoner who was given to be attacked by dogs? Or what about the one shot in both legs then beaten? What about those?
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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Islamic culture is COMPLETELY different from ours. Being humiliated in that kind of way is like torture to them.


Un fourtunately it's not "like tourture". It's extremely humiliating, however it is NOT torture. Torture involves acid, amputation, electrocution, gutting, maiming, drilling, slicing, suffocating, drowning.

Of course it's freakign terrible, but don't go saying we're just like Saddam. These guards were sick f*cks, and are being prosecuted. Meanwhile, THE ENEMY is COMMITING TRUE ATROCITIES.

Everyone needs to go back to the Holocaust, Soviet gulags, the Khmer Rouge, and any number of other despots who involved touture. Look at pictures, read thier methods. What we did was child's play . And look how appalled we all are. We are not an evil empire. We need to simply fix the problem and put this behind us.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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Registered: October 26, 2003
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Registered: July 26, 2003
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Islamic culture is COMPLETELY different from ours. Being humiliated in that kind of way is like torture to them. In America, we see people half naked every day, but in the Middle East, they don't (just one of the reason's they don't like America). Maybe Joseph Vinci & Franklin Dixon would rather be assaulted than dragged through the streets, but for the men being "tortured", it's just as bad.

What our soldiers did to those prisoners was horrific, and idiotic. It was even more idiotic to take pictures of the wrong-doing. The damage it did to the United State's reputation, especially among Iraqi's is irreparable.
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I don't know, but I assume
Roll Eyes yes, VERY ignorant.
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