war has no winners no matter how many times we have it because if you think you've won you haven't because it was only some of the thing you're fighting against you haave won over.

ampmaster,

How many deployments have you been through so far?

Yes, apologies kids I had just woken up so spelling and sentance structure were shaky on occasion.

Did you mean "I do know that I'm not fighting Islam", amp?

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I dunno but i think you need to see it from another angel man, you know by these wars another 3000 will be lost, it doesn't matter if it's in the States or Afghanistan or any other place, how come you grief the 3000 in the twin and not grief others in Iraq or any where else

There's a difference between 3000 murders and 3000 soldiers dying in combat.

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it's not only me who think like this... we all do as Arabs and Muslims.

Right... I knew that though honestly extremist islam seems more prevalent then you make it out to be. However as a warrior I do know that I'm fighting islam, I'm fighting scumbags who are thought as such by everyone including members of their faith.

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but striking every one is not the way to stop terrorism it's a way to make it grow...

*checks list* extremist regime in afghanistan... general slime bag in iraq who we should have killed the first time... yeah I'm not seeing "everyone" on this list. Oh wait blanked that, assorted scum in the phillipines though we mostly assisted local forces for that one.... when the US starts carpet bombing random countries get back to me on this one.

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History will tell all later

Hind sight is forever 20/20 the US helping the Muj and what would later become Al-Qaeda against the Russians during the combat in Afghanistan, we kind of shot ourselves in the foot there.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
that whole paragraph barely made any sense

Do you know why soldiers fight? do you honestly know why we volunteer to go fight and die? so you don't have to die that's why. It's not we killed all these people so we win, it's our people can sleep safe in their beds tonight because of our sacrifice so we win.

Our economy has actually improved, and the only nations we've lost respect from are A. asshats like france and B. tin-pot scumbag dictators who worry that they might be next.

We lost 3000 americans in the twin towers collapse and we're fighting to make sure the scum who did it and the scum who would think about it can never do it again

I dunno but i think you need to see it from another angel man, you know by these wars another 3000 will be lost, it doesn't matter if it's in the States or Afghanistan or any other place, how come you grief the 3000 in the twin and not grief others in Iraq or any where else, terror knows no language or religion so, by hitting any one who's not allied is WRONG.
I'm Arabian and Muslim, i live what's happening may be more than many other ppl in other parts of this planet but you know, if i have only 100,000$ I'll spend my life after that guy Osama because he's f*cking up my image in the world... and he have no right to take a man's life, no right at all. it's not only me who think like this... we all do as Arabs and Muslims. there's always ppl who cross the line and become extreme if you go back in history they were always there. if you want to fight them then you're a hero and you have the right to defend your family and country, it's an honor but striking every one is not the way to stop terrorism it's a way to make it grow...
if we agree that we're fighting terrorism then we're doing fine but believe me.... no one is fighting it.
History will tell all later

There are 'winners' in war, it just depends what you want the outcome to be - it could be a good outcome to them, but a bad outcome to you. Meh.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
that whole paragraph barely made any sense

Do you know why soldiers fight? do you honestly know why we volunteer to go fight and die? so you don't have to die that's why. It's not we killed all these people so we win, it's our people can sleep safe in their beds tonight because of our sacrifice so we win.

Our economy has actually improved, and the only nations we've lost respect from are A. asshats like france and B. tin-pot scumbag dictators who worry that they might be next.

We lost 3000 americans in the twin towers collapse and we're fighting to make sure the scum who did it and the scum who would think about it can never do it again

Thank You. Major kudos.

that whole paragraph barely made any sense

Do you know why soldiers fight? do you honestly know why we volunteer to go fight and die? so you don't have to die that's why. It's not we killed all these people so we win, it's our people can sleep safe in their beds tonight because of our sacrifice so we win.

Our economy has actually improved, and the only nations we've lost respect from are A. asshats like france and B. tin-pot scumbag dictators who worry that they might be next.

We lost 3000 americans in the twin towers collapse and we're fighting to make sure the scum who did it and the scum who would think about it can never do it again

war does have no winners. sure you could "win" the war but if you think about it for awhile its correctly. yes the US has won all the wars its fought -Vietnam is still up 4 debate- but the lost of our men and women, ecomic power and control and the Twin Towers hurts us as a nation. We lost over 3000 innocent people of all nations in the Twin Tower attacks, we've lost countless people in Iraq both innocent people and soliders. So if you weight the "omg we won this war!!" vs "hey we lost countless inncoent people, soliders, family memembers and our ecomic power and some respect." they hey. is that really a won battle? okay 5000+ people for a win in our history? not fair. this war is stupid n needs to end soon b4 more innocent ppl die.

That sentence made no sense.

sigh...

I just despise utterly unsupported and simplistic arguments like this, especially as something as silly as wars not being able to be won. I don't see Nazis ruling europe, americans swearing allegiance to the queen or the Soviet Union uniting the planet in a fraternal socalist brotherhood. Those wars settled those matters rather nicely.

I suppose your thought comes through poor defenition of the term "war". Yes war as a concept will never end. That is because struggle is the nature of existance for all life from humans to the lowest amoeba. In fact using the defintion of struggle for war we could in fact call our very lives wars.

However war as it applies to indivdual conflicts ends all the time. As I pointed out above.

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the thing you're fighting against you haave won over.

that's rather the whole point