Question:
Personally I support prez. Bush and the war but I wanna know what the majority of the people thinks.

Choices:
Yes, I support both
I support Bush but not war
I support War but not bush
I don't support either
I could care less

 

In response to DropDeadGabby:

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and if loved ones died in the war.
they died with honor!
honor to their country.

'My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.'

Taken from a poem describing the old lie that it is sweet and right to die for your country. It was written as an attack on those who were part of the propaganda methods for WW1. If you are content to allow yourself to be part of Bush's propaganda methods in this war then my personal opinion is that you shouldn't then make such comments as this:

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I'm ashamed to call you a fellow American.

Innocent people died in 9/11 and innocent civilians are dying in Iraq. No matter how far I look I cannot find an excuse to justify the deaths of these people and I certainly don't find it honourable.

my dad was in the war for a while and i hate bush because he started the war and wont end it. so i'm sorry for any bush luvers but i hate him.

I read over my previous post and i admit i over reacted. I apologize for it. But understand when it comes down to it, their's nothing honorable about dieing at the hands of a terrorist.

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I checked your profile and you live all the way in California. You weren't even close.

I would like to point out that just because someone's profile says they're from California does not mean that 9/11 didn't affect them in a very deep, personal way. Calm the heck down with the personal attacks, ok? I agree with you on most of your points but just, chill a little.

To DropDeadGabby,
Do you honestly believe in what you say? That its alright for people, innocent people, to just die?

Let me place you under the microscope for a second. How close have you been to any war? How close have you been to a terrorist attack? Dont use 9/11 as an excuse. I checked your profile and you live all the way in California. You weren't even close.

I bet you were sitting in your air conditioned room, on you comfy chair, drinking a cold pepsi, posting that message, acitng like a war hero.

Here's another question. How many loved one's did you loose? I have lost many relatives to war. It has been over 15 years and some of them arent even determined dead or in war prisons.
How many Iraqi's do you know? All of my friends from Iraq left their homes as refugees, trying to escape from the war. I have a friend from Iraq who's Uncle was kidnapped. Even though her family paid the randsom the kidnappers demanded, he was found days later dead in the streets.

Don't tell me Bush has made Iraq safer, dont give me your pathetic analysis from hundreds of miles away from a conflict. A conflict you will never understand. I'm sorry, i cant restrain myself. I have to be harsh in my reply or else you will never understand the pain in my heart i get from reading your cold ignorant message.

I was in the Saudi Arabia during the terrorist attacks. I lived for years afraid that my house will be bombed in the middle of the night. I lived in lebanon during the Israel war of 2006. Do you know what it feels like to jump in your seat everytime your hear a door slam. Or to run to the window to make sure that the fireworks you here are indeed fireworks and not another war. Not once did i consider death an honor at that time. War isnt like the movies. Theirs no honor in it.

Once again, i ask you all to question 9/11 itself and not the resutling events.

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he has made it safe for Iraqian people to walk the streets without being blown to pieces!

You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking. You can't honestly think, whether or not you think Bush has made Iraq a better place in general, that people were in more danger of being blown up under Hussein? Executed by a firing squad, maybe. But blown up in the street? No, America takes the dubious pleasure of having made that particular way to die much more common.

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DEATH is part of life no matter how old the person is or how they died.
it will EVENTUALLY happen.

So, you wouldn't care if I came and blew your house up tomorrow and killed you? (Note to mods, that was absolutely hypothetical, you know I don't make death threats) However much I disagree with you on this, and I disagree quite a bit, I realize that this more than most things is something people can't be argued out of believing in. All I ask is that you not assume that everyone does, or should, share your views on the matter.

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Bush was thinking about the future

Oh yes, thinking about the future is what Bush and his administration does best. Who needs an exit plan anyway?

Note: Gabby, three posts in a row it too much, please try and refrain from doing it. If you need to edit a post, the little icon with an eraser will let you do that.

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It's better to fight them there then here.

Why is that? Because if we fight them there we kill innocent Iraqi bystanders instead of innocent American bystanders? Oh yeah, I totally see where you're going with that argument.

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:

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He started the war because of terrorism.
They flew aircrafts into the Twin Towers.
So he fought back.

He started the war against Terrorism and Al-Qaeda because of the attacks on American Soil. That meant that he sent soldiers to Afghanistan. As far as we know, Al-Qaeda has not been said to be in Iraq. Originally, the public was informed that there were WMDs in Iraq which is why we were sent there. However, as far as the general public has been informed, there have been no WMDs found, which leads to speculation about WHY we are in Iraq. In general, it has no connection to 9/11.

9/11 changed the way we look at threats from other countries.
Sadam Hussein was an evil dictator who started two previous wars, one involving Iran, the other involving Kuwait.
He also used WMD's on his own people.
He was told to destroy all his WMD's, as far as we know, he did not.
And Bush did not want to take the chance of Sadam Hussein giving WMD's too any terrorists to use against us.
At this present time Al-Qaeda is in Iraq.
It's better to fight them there then here.

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He started the war because of terrorism.
They flew aircrafts into the Twin Towers.
So he fought back.

He started the war against Terrorism and Al-Qaeda because of the attacks on American Soil. That meant that he sent soldiers to Afghanistan. As far as we know, Al-Qaeda has not been said to be in Iraq. Originally, the public was informed that there were WMDs in Iraq which is why we were sent there. However, as far as the general public has been informed, there have been no WMDs found, which leads to speculation about WHY we are in Iraq. In general, it has no connection to 9/11.

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Originally posted by Abi_:
hes ruined our reputation with the rest of the world, started a war based on revenge and oil, and hes just dumb. if he was assainated I would cry tears of joy! luckily we have 1 year till this idiots out of office


please excuse my lack of ability to spell.

actually he didn't start the war over oil.
He started the war because of terrorism.
They flew aircrafts into the Twin Towers.
So he fought back.
oil.
pshhh.
you ovbiously aren't educated.
if you don't know history you are doomed to repeat it.

Less than a year, actually. He officially leaves office on January 20, when the new president is inaugurated.

hes ruined our reputation with the rest of the world, started a war based on revenge and oil, and hes just dumb. if he was assainated I would cry tears of joy! luckily we have 1 year till this idiots out of office


please excuse my lack of ability to spell.

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he has made it safe for Iraqian people to walk the streets without being blown to pieces!

Perhaps in the Green Zone. But you can't honestly think that IEDs never go off any more in Iraq.

I won't touch the post about dying for freedom because I've learned it's futile to argue with a determinist. If you believe that some people were born to die for their country, then you'd probably also believe that others (like me) were born to deny it.

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Originally posted by youngpower:
I THINK THAT BUSH HAS RUENED OUR LIVES I DONT HATE HIM BUT, HE HAS LOST A LOT OF MONEY ON WAR HE NEEDS SERIOUS HELP, BECAUSE HE WHANTS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD HES PLANNING TO TAKE ANOTHER LEADER OUT BUT KNOW FROM AFREICA WHAT DO YOU THINK? WORLD nullnull

haven't you realized that Bush has helped the people of Iraq!
he has made it safe for Iraqian people to walk the streets without being blown to pieces!

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Originally posted by subjugator:
I'm ashamed to call him my president!

I'm ashamed to call you a fellow American.

PEOPLE.
and others who were complaining about losing loved ones!
DEATH is part of life no matter how old the person is or how they died.
it will EVENTUALLY happen.
I believe the people who died in both 9/11 and the war, died for change.
and if loved ones died in the war.
they died with honor!
honor to their country.
and if Bush wouldn't have sent the soldiers to fight who knows how many attacks there would have been following 9/11.
Bush was thinking about the future and I truly believe he did the right thing.
your fate is choosen for you once you come upon this world.
if you are suppose to die for freedom, then be you are suppose to die to save others.

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At any rate, it's kind of pointless to ask who supports Bush, considering he has less than a year left in office.

And his national approval ratings are going through the floor.

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How can the US setup democracy in a nation when it itself enters it like a dictator?

That is an interesting point SomeGuy. Especially since we banned a lot of people who knew about government from taking office based on their involvement in the previous government.

Did any body even stop to question 9/11 in the first place? Everybody knows that Bin Ladin wouldn't be in the position he is right now had it not been for the US in the first place, but that isn't relevant right now because George W. Bush wasnt president then.
But we also know that the US got a warning from Al Qaeda. Did any body listen to that warning?
Its foolish to believe 9/11 was carried out just for the sake of killing Americans. Every terrorist attack has a cause. Bin Ladin did not attack because of who you are but because of what you do.
9/11 could have been avioded just like other conflicts that occured before and will occur in the future. Just like many middle east conflicts this attack was related to the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
As for Iraq, Bush and the government was blinded by lobbyism, and America was in fear, and like anybody who is backed up in a corner, its natural instincts to slash back. The US went in for weapons it didnt find any (the weapon issue has been resolved earlier on in this forum so i wont cover it). So now the US is in Iraq to setup democracy. How can the US setup democracy in a nation when it itself enters it like a dictator?

It's too late now. The US has no choice but to clean up the mess it made.

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Originally posted by firecracker08:
I am 100% behind President Bush AND the war. If we hadn't gone over there after they hijacked those planes and crashed them into the twin towers and the pentagon who else would have decided that they could bomb us and we wouldn't fight back. Come on, get real. We needed to defend our country. I know that we have lost alot of men and women, but they didn't die in vain like they would have if they weren't defending their family and friends.

If we were really fighting back against the people behind 9/11, why did we invade Iraq? Think about it. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi Arabian. So were most of the hijackers. They never operated in Iraq. As far as I know, none of them were even from Iraq.

This war was fought for the wrong reasons. Iraq was not connected to 9/11. Not in the slightest.

At any rate, it's kind of pointless to ask who supports Bush, considering he has less than a year left in office.

I am 100% behind President Bush AND the war. If we hadn't gone over there after they hijacked those planes and crashed them into the twin towers and the pentagon who else would have decided that they could bomb us and we wouldn't fight back. Come on, get real. We needed to defend our country. I know that we have lost alot of men and women, but they didn't die in vain like they would have if they weren't defending their family and friends.