not too long ago a U.S. cruiser was in the waters outside of Iraq. Then iranian boats came close to charging the ship and said there was a bomb on it. there goverment denies any involvement but must we really take this? After all they give terroists safe passage into Iraq. So what should we use the spear or the olive branch?
You read the koran? Really? Can you read arabic or did you read some translated version probably intended to give you the wrong meaning? Or did you read some certain parts that, just like the Bible, can be understood wrong? I can tell that you know nothing about the koran because kuffar doesnt not mean nonbeliever. The perfect translation is sinner. A muslim who sins can be called a kuffar. If you dont know the meaning of this one word, than how can you know the meaning of the Koran.
Ofcourse you've seen islamic press conferences because the media wants you to see this. They show you specific parts of extremist islamic conferences. They brainwash you.
Maybe i should look into islamic culture? Are you serious?! I lived my whole life in Islamic countries and you know nothing about Islamic people. You are making the biggest generalization. Al Qaeda calls them the "magnificent 15". Not muslims. Im going to say this one last time. Muslims are not terrorists. They do NOT want to "kill everyone". I dont even know why i argue with you. You are clearly determined to be blind.
As for Israel. Yes Israel is too strong. The Arabs are the underdogs. America continues to support Israel and make it stronger. And Israel has been beating Palestine like a little child for the last 60 years. And Israel destroyed the lives of Lebanese people most of which dont support hezbollah in 2006. And Israel has hundreds of prisoners who are innocent. And Israel has the west eating out of its hand. But as for fear. We dont fear them.
As for the main topic at hand. If the US was to strike Iran they would be starting the new world war. Iran would give the order and all Shiite would join in the war. Hezbollah would be relentless and so would Hamas. As for other Arabs. Its very likely they would unite against a common enemy. What I find very sad about the US government is it went from being the smartest country when it comes to political negotiations to knowing nothing other than war. Why are the only options now war or no war. Why do the american people have to choose between keeping the troops in Iraq or sending more troops to Iraq? What ever happed to the negotiating table?
Originally posted by malcik1018: Naturally Iran will be triggered; and why? - because they are a powerful nation in opposition to America. All this U.S supremacy has gone beyond all measures; "say no to nukes in Iran but yes to nukes in Israel!". So bright is the egoism. "Freedom through slavery".
Politicians don't speak for the people. I'm not a fan of the United States either pal, and your point is little beyond a rant.
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When did I ever imply that they do? And why is my quote offensive? I pointed out my disdain towards U.S government but not the U.S. If I really did I wouldn't live here.
Calling Americans the "offensive" things you did (I'm not sure why that's offensive either, but whatever, not my forum) implies that the United States as a whole unit. It's either bad grammar, or you're painting the whole of the United States with the same brush.
Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
Originally posted by malcik1018: Naturally Iran will be triggered; and why? - because they are a powerful nation in opposition to America. All this U.S supremacy has gone beyond all measures; "say no to nukes in Iran but yes to nukes in Israel!". So bright is the egoism. "Freedom through slavery".
Politicians don't speak for the people. I'm not a fan of the United States either pal, and your point is little beyond a rant.
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When did I ever imply that they do? And why is my quote offensive? I pointed out my disdain towards U.S government but not the U.S. If I really did I wouldn't live here.
Originally posted by malcik1018: Naturally Iran will be triggered; and why? - because they are a powerful nation in opposition to America. All this U.S supremacy has gone beyond all measures; "say no to nukes in Iran but yes to nukes in Israel!". So bright is the egoism. "Freedom through slavery".
Politicians don't speak for the people. I'm not a fan of the United States either pal, and your point is little beyond a rant.
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Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
Naturally Iran will be triggered; and why? - because they are a powerful nation in opposition to America. All this U.S supremacy has gone beyond all measures; "say no to nukes in Iran but yes to nukes in Israel!". So bright is the egoism. "Freedom through slavery".
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MouthOfTruth, you're confusing extremist Islam with mainstream Islam. This is the same as saying that all Christianity is the Ku Klux Klan.
Israel wouldn't stand a chance if it faced off against it's former opponents. Israel was blasted during the first few days of the Yom Kippur War, and had Jordan joined in to the conflict, there's no reason to assume Israel would have made as much progress as it did.
As for Iran, the situation you're referring to was quite possibly a hoax. Radios are completely open, and there is no reason to believe that the source of the "threats" came from Iranian sources. Why would Iran try and instigate the United States now? They're looking to lay low for the while, openly engaging the United States would be a dumb idea.
They also don't necessarily give safe passage either. I hate terrorists as much as the other guy, but the borders of countries like Iran and Afghanistan aren't well defended. They could easily take safe passage through the mountains like they have.
Is Iran my favorite country? No.
Do I think we're blowing things out of proportion here? Yes.
Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
i think your blind ive read the koran. ive seen islamic press conferences. all of it leads to one thing...death to the kuffar(nonbeliever). all of you can bicker about israel but be glad were on there side. Arab nations fear them because they cannot defeat them nobody can!!!! maybe you should look more into islamic culture. theres a reason they called the twin tower bombers the "magnificent 15". Israel must use questionable tactics because they fight people who kill everone. maybe if America used there tactics we could make progress not only in Iraq but in all terroists conflicts.
I agree with clpo13, a lot of problems can be solved if the US government would not refuse to negotaite. Also, how can the US expect other countries, such as Iran, to not produce nuclear weapons when the US itself has a large amount of nuclear weapons. It's hipocracy. If you believe that the US has the right because it's "good" than you're just ignorant. I admit the US has done a lot of great things, but lately....
I agree with clpo13 as well when it comes to questioning the US allies. Israel has a huge arsenal of Nuclear Weapons. From its beginning until this day Israel continues to carry out morally questionable acts, much worse than Iran, but the US permits and aids it.
About the attack on the US Cruiser, the attack was not carried out by Iran's government, or Iranian officials. You cannot condemn Iran for something its not responsible for.
To Bushsupporter, it would be wrong to "just bomb their nuclear facilities". First of all not all of it is used for weapons. Second you cant just bomb crap to make it better, thats just stupid. You claim doing so will aviod causing further strife between Muslims and Jews. Well what about the strife between the US and Muslims, you'll just add gallons of fuel to the fire, besides a move like that can spark another war.
Why does the US find Iran as a threat in the beginning? Its because Iran is a threat to Israel, and therefore the US. Bush said so himself in his speech during Israel's 60 Anniversary. That is the reason why Israel is involved. At the core of all the problems in the middle east, you can find Israel in one way or another. Because the US supports Israel in such a ridiculously strong way, it is resented in the middle east, and finds difficulty when it comes to negotiations.
"Iran is like many islamic countries in these countries the majority of people believe that anyone not Muslim deserves to die." -mouthoftruth22
Wow...you must be blind. Its pathetic that you actually believe that, absolutely pathetic.
Did you stop to question why Iran "portrays the US as devils"?
The president of Iran isn't nearly as radical as some of our allies. Saudi Arabia, for instance, is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalist. Iran, of course, is no better, but before we criticize our enemies, we should examine our friends to make sure they don't possess the same qualities.
As for the nuclear technology question, I don't find a problem with simply possessing it. Threatening to use it, however, is the real problem. Even friendly countries with nukes can be trouble.
its not the nation im against its the ideology that the leaders of the country follow. i agree that our politicians could do better but they are "politicians" so what did you expect? the threat of a nuclear war is always there but even they can see the catastrophe in that. in our defense islamic radicals like their leader believe the west to be enemies of the islamic world. its hard to find peace with a nation that portrays you as the devil. continuing to develop a nuclear program is a "significant threat"
Israel has more nukes than Iran does. And they're more likely to use them. They may be our allies, but Israel is more of a danger than Iran is.
As far as I know, Iran has not made any explicit threats to the United States since the early 1980s. Their mere existence is not a threat, or at least, it shouldn't be.
As for why we'll never have peace...well, I blame our government more than theirs. We refuse to negotiate. We refuse to talk. We refuse to treat them as a fellow nation. If war does occur, it'll be because we failed to prevent it.
Not made a significant threat? have you been hiding under a rock?!?! Iran is like many islamic countries in these countries the majority of people believe that anyone not Muslim deserves to die. Iran will never be at peace with us and in my opinion war is inevitable.
We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.
Real smart, the only way we could justify that attitude would be going back to isolationism. As long as we continue to interfere in the matters of other nations the world has a right to hate us and call us out on every terrible foreign policy decision we make.
The fucking idiots in washington have managed to convince most americans that we are inherently good, and that somehow good for america = good for the world. The truth is that every foreign policy decision we make has the objective of consolidating and furthering america's position as the lone global superpower. Obviously to manage this we have to do terrible things, but as long as americans continue to beleive all the bullshit they are fed the situation will remain the same and the world will continue to hate us.
"Good for America" and "good for the world" are not mutually exclusive you moron. Why do you leftists always talk as if it is. Countries have shared interests and most times good for us means good for others.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.
Real smart, the only way we could justify that attitude would be going back to isolationism. As long as we continue to interfere in the matters of other nations the world has a right to hate us and call us out on every terrible foreign policy decision we make.
The fucking idiots in washington have managed to convince most americans that we are inherently good, and that somehow good for america = good for the world. The truth is that every foreign policy decision we make has the objective of consolidating and furthering america's position as the lone global superpower. Obviously to manage this we have to do terrible things, but as long as americans continue to beleive all the bullshit they are fed the situation will remain the same and the world will continue to hate us.
not once has Iran ever sent a millitary force against Isreal the OPEC nations such as Egypt,Jordan, and palestine are the ones always fighting the wars against Israel. The Isrealis themselves arent close to being innocent. Everytime something little happens they blame an arab country so they can attack it. Such as the case when ONE of there army personnell went missing. Instead of launching an investigation they went straight to bombing palestinian cities and killed inoccent civillians. For the right wing islamists all these different wars from Iraq to the revolutions in Africa are one global jihad. We cannot trust the UN with this problem for only us as Americans will ever have the guts to stand for whats right against such terror. I wish somebody would prove me wrong but i doubt it. We should worry more about ourselves then what the rest of the world thinks of us.
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