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Originally posted by Trisscar:

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Oh yeah... but, do we know that Bush truly knew he was lying? I know he definitely did not have proof for some stuff, but I was under the impression that he had faulty info 'cause people didn't want to give the boss bad news.

I honestly beleive the poor fool actually beleived everything he said. Really I actually feel bad for him for being so stupid.

If we could impeach people for stupidity he'd be in trouble.

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Oh yeah... but, do we know that Bush truly knew he was lying? I know he definitely did not have proof for some stuff, but I was under the impression that he had faulty info 'cause people didn't want to give the boss bad news.

I honestly beleive the poor fool actually beleived everything he said. Really I actually feel bad for him for being so stupid.

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Originally posted by speed:
now is when you question what holds more weight, an unimportant lie about one's personal life, albeit, under oath.
Or an extremely important series of lies, about terrrorism and WMD's.

Gotta love Hypocrisy.

Oh yeah... but, do we know that Bush truly knew he was lying? I know he definitely did not have proof for some stuff, but I was under the impression that he had faulty info 'cause people didn't want to give the boss bad news.

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having a gay one.

impossible and we all know it.

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lied under oath

now is when you question what holds more weight, an unimportant lie about one's personal life, albeit, under oath.
Or an extremely important series of lies, about terrrorism and WMD's.

Gotta love Hypocrisy.

Yeah. Though I don't think her husbands history of lying is going to help her campaing. It will be interesting to see her run.

I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how Hilary does. I think we might be able to pull off electing a woman in the nearish future if she does well, even if she doesn't win.

I think that this country has more probabilities of electing a female president then that of having a gay one. Even the chances of having a female president are low. The thing is that there are many homophobics who will never let this happen and if anyone that has a different sexual preference thinks of even running, he or she will have to hide it. This country claims to be the land of freedom from any kind of oppression, but there are still many forms of discrimination that oppress the people of this nation. How can we expect to have a woman run this country when on average women make less money for the same amount of work and education? How can we expect to have a gay president when gay marriage is such a huge contreversy and the states don't even have a unanimous opion on the subject? I don't see any of these two scenerios happening anytime soon.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
What does this have to do with War and Terrorism?

Absolutely positively nothing. But since when do people stick with topics?

True clpo, but still... it's not THAT confusing.

What does this have to do with War and Terrorism?

That's because both the indictment and conviction are called "impeachment". You impeach someone to bring them to trial in order to get them impeached. Very confusing.

That's one of the problems with how we set things up, we want a head of government and a head of state in the same person, meaning we want a moral leader and someone who can be ruthless in government at the same time. Hardly any other country asks that of their leaders.

Is it just me or does hardly anybody understand how the impeachment process works?

Yeah, as much as some people like to think Clinton was impeached because of his affair, it was really the perjury bit. But he was never convicted, which is why he wasn't removed from office.

I doubt it would have been such a big deal if people weren't so apt to see the president as this country's moral leader...

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Originally posted by speed:
well clinton was almost impeached over a blowjob, whereas our current president is known to have lied about issues as preoccupying as nuclear and chemical weapons, and no one has even thought of impeachement.

Clinton lied under oath dear. While I don't think it was any of our business in the first place, he still did. And maybe Congress hasn't thought of impeachment, but other people have.

well clinton was almost impeached over a blowjob, whereas our current president is known to have lied about issues as preoccupying as nuclear and chemical weapons, and no one has even thought of impeachement.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Maybe we can convince a gay candidate to just not say he's gay until he's already been elected. We won't be lying. We'll just be...okay, so I'm sure someone will call it lying and get the poor sod impeached, but oh well.

Holy smokes clpo, can you even imagine how pissed people would be if somebody did that? They'd have the poor guy thrown out faster than anything.

Thanks Tris, I couldn't remember (obviously) but I didn't think you all had ever voted one in... but you've had one in second in command anyway which is more than we've managed.

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Tris, has Canada never had a women as PM

We did once, but she only got in by default because she was second in command when somebody else resigned. She was never voted in.

Maybe we can convince a gay candidate to just not say he's gay until he's already been elected. We won't be lying. We'll just be...okay, so I'm sure someone will call it lying and get the poor sod impeached, but oh well.

Well we all (well no that's a lie) know that people SHOULD be voting for the best person for the job. The problem is that we're way to influenced by what party they're part of, how well they campaign, what religion they are, and other things that shouldn't matter.

Tris, has Canada never had a women as PM?

Yes, I agree, people should vote for people based on the ability to do the job (correctly mind you) not on who they love or their gender

I have to agree with HL there. The states really has a huge problem with gay people. Even in Canada I think its more likely for a female Prime Minister to get in than an openly gay person. Personally I don't care, if I think they're the best person for the job, I will vote for them, I don't care if they're straight, gay, white, black, chinese, mexican, or whatever race male, female, Whatever, it doesn't matter to me.