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Wait weren't you just ranting to me about how the war was about WMDs and uranium transfers? Which one was it?

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God save me.
The Reason Bush said we were going in:
Getting the WMD.
Subliminal Reason that Bush had in mind:
Oil.

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Yes. Clinton. Did. I've tried to find an article on Google but it's hard to sift through the massive amount of articles about him, oil, and saudi arabia. Nevertheless, in the 1996 election year he tried to lower the price of oil over the summer and fall.

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First of, yes, it is true Clinton was cracking heavy deals with the Saudis to lower oil prizes to make his election more powerful, yet they were deals in which it wouldn't require him to go to war against a foreign nation based on false principals (I'll get to this later.)

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So...He's trying to lower prices now also. DEAR GOD THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO HELP THE ECONOMY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!
My point is, Bush wanting a deal right before the election would make little sense when you realise the much more massive effect of constantly trying to lower high prices. Put simply, Bush knows he would do much better with constantly lower prices. This whole deal doesn't make sense.

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Look, do I have to explain this to you again? The fact that Bush was trying to lower Oil prices is very plausible, yet the way in which he was going to do it was not. He had made a deal with the Saudi Arabians in which the United States would invade Iraq, and when the Iraq was under US control, Saudi Arabian oil companies would invest heavily in Iraqi Oil, giving them large amounts of oil, allowing them to lower the price. Oil is very important and is in many products, so yes, lower oil prices could signifigantly help the economy.

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Please agree with me that because it's in one book does not make it true. I haven't read this book (and you probably haven't either). However, this issue still has nothign to do with the Iraq war, and you claimed this as evidence of the war being about oil.

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Even if this whole accusation is in one book, it still can be true. Bob Woodward is very credible and has uncovered scandals such as Watergate under the Nixon Administration (he isnt just a liberal weapon, he helped uncover details about the Clinton Sex Scandal.)You do have one thing right, I have not read Plan of Attack yet i am going to start reading it next week. Woodward is allowed to access white house information and attend many high-profile meetings, making his information credible. And yes, it does have to do with this issue, Woodward was the man who discovered the deal between Bandar and Bush.

As for you Al-Jazzera bashing gaunlett, people like you find Al-Jazzera anti-American for the same reason many arabs find FOX news anti-Arab. Although it is true that Al-Jazzera spent much time on the Issues of the Abu Gharib Prison abuse, the wedding bombing (which by the way, altough it contained combat-ready men and weapons, was still a wedding with no paticular threat,) and has called the Iraqi Isurgents freedom fighters (but wait, what about those Americans during the 1770's who rebelled against British Troups who were occupying America claiming it was for "America's Good"? Wouldn't they just be a bunch of terrorists?

Yet Fox has had its biases too and has been proven to be Anti-Arab. It spent much time concentrating on the killing and humiliation of the four American Contranctors (as horrible as it was) calling the Iraq a land of "barbarians." It has been biased against the Arab world beliefs and opinions claiming they need somebody to think for them. It has also expressed views that bash the Arab Culture and its beliefs (Bill O'Reilly compared the Koran to Mein Kampf.)

And for my last point, Al-Jazzera represents free press and speech media, something that lacks severely in the Arab World. Al-Jazzera has penetrated the airwaves of countries with state-run biased, untruthful, and propagandistic state-run news sources, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, and Kuwait.

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The war was about Oil.

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Wait weren't you just ranting to me about how the war was about WMDs and uranium transfers? Which one was it?

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First of all, Clinton never did that

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Yes. Clinton. Did. I've tried to find an article on Google but it's hard to sift through the massive amount of articles about him, oil, and saudi arabia. Nevertheless, in the 1996 election year he tried to lower the price of oil over the summer and fall.

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lowered oil prices would mean the sight of a better economy, boosting bushes approval ratings up.

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So...He's trying to lower prices now also. DEAR GOD THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO HELP THE ECONOMY! CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!
My point is, Bush wanting a deal right before the election would make little sense when you realise the much more massive effect of constantly trying to lower high prices. Put simply, Bush knows he would do much better with constantly lower prices. This whole deal doesn't make sense.

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It has been said in Plan of Attack and the meeting between Bandar and Bush was true, were they made that deal.

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Please agree with me that because it's in one book does not make it true. I haven't read this book (and you probably haven't either). However, this issue still has nothign to do with the Iraq war, and you claimed this as evidence of the war being about oil.

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Second of all, Al-Jazzera seems anti-american to us, simply because they air bin laden tapes

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No, they appear anti-american because they refer to the Iraqi insurgents as "freedom fighters" on many occasions and more or less have consistant anti-American reporting.

Al-Jazzera has presented the Abu-Gharib abuses as common practice. Which they are not. They also have been presenting events such as the "wedding" bombing, without reporting all the evidence. They have an agenda and presnet only one side of it. It's not a haven for honest journalism. It's mostly propaganda.

Something tells me you're going to tell me American media companies do the same so i'll prempt the question. American media outlets, besides some general twisting and manipulation, tend to be true. We see consitent reporting that hurts America's position. Example: The extreme focus on Abu Gharib.

reality bites doesn't it????????

Second of all, Al-Jazzera seems anti-american to us, simply because they air bin laden tapes, which is a wind of change in the middle east because many media outlets in the arab world are heavily censored for dissent and free-speech. Most goverments in the Middle East hate Al-Jazzera because it reveals the truth about repressive dictatorial goverments (many of which the us supports.)

First of all, Clinton never did that, second of all, lowered oil prices would mean the sight of a better economy, boosting bushes approval ratings up. It has been said in Plan of Attack and the meeting between Bandar and Bush was true, were they made that deal.

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The war was about Oil. We had a deal with the Saudis so oil prizes would go down right before Bushes election.

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Wow, Clinton did the same thing.
In any case, the Saudis have denied this, the US has denied this, and hell, logic denys this. Lowering oil prices righ before the election will do nothing. They must be lowered during the summer to have an impact on election votes. Bush knows that people won't suddenly vote for him if prices go down right before the election. It has to be as soon as possible.

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Dont go making wrong statements about Al-Jazzera and the necessity for it to go down, the channel is a good wind of change in the middle east.

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Ah, so the wind of change in the Middle East is one of supporting extremist Islam and anti-americanism? Well if that's the case, I suggest we stary looking into the nuclear option.

See, here's the problem with the war being about oil. It wasn't. We're not getting any large amounts of cheap oil from Iraq. So what justification do you have for saying that?

710 reasons for war with iraq as simple as that...

The war was about Oil. We had a deal with the Saudis so oil prizes would go down right before Bushes election.

And Oustedpunx...
Come on man, I've seen your post before, and you got good judgement not believing conservative lies. Dont go making wrong statements about Al-Jazzera and the necessity for it to go down, the channel is a good wind of change in the middle east.

I don't entirely agree with you but I do strongly support the use of the word rubbish. Great word. Good show old chap.

This is the most useless thread Ive ever seen. If the war was really about money and oil, why are we in a deficeit and gas prices still so high? Down with this rubbish.

I don't trust the Iraqis or their Newspapers, Al Jazeera is a criminal organization and all of their reporters should be shot. That is all I have to say on the matter.

OustedPunx

To get Saddam out was our reason, and oil is another too. Damn.

Of course, you wouldn't trust an Iraqi newspaper if it made connections you didn't like...

Puffinkeeper:

Damn, I was going to make the same point.
If we were just in this for the oil, we would have overthrown someone like Chavez or the Saudis via some sort of Covert mission/CIA-sponsored coup. It's not the like the government to plan out a regime change solely based on it's own economic interests, and then do it right in front of everyone.

If it were about oil, we'd have invaded Venezuela, or someplace that matters. There's relatively little oil in Iraq.

I have no car (VW or otherwise), no computer (use library's), no fridge of my own, no appliances (live in a homeless shelter, rich NuShoeskid), and my bicycle was stolen....so, no h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e: you should find out before you shoot! Can I really have a nice day? I keep busy doing volunteer work, but will you share Jim

An Iraqi newspaper, Al-Mada, apparently found numerous ties to anti-war politicians and countries. The extended list also includes individuals like George Galloway, who lead the anti-war fight in Britain's parliament. France and the PLO were also beneficiaries of Saddam's bribes.

So, it looks like the U.N. and the anti-war crowd were influenced by Saddam's kickbacks. So, apparently, for the anti-war crowd, IT REALLY WAS ABOUT OIL!

(And, if you don't like oil, give up your Volkswagens, your computer, your refrigerator, all electric appliances, all transit exscept bicycles. Otherwise, all you "oil" conspiracy-theorists are just H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S.)

P.S. Have a nice day!