It's about time you all stop listening to everything the media tells you. Take a closer look at how those buildings fell, and ask yourself if jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt concrete and steel buildings 110 stories high at free fall speed. 9/11 isn't the only thing. These have been going on since America was established. Take a good look at the previous wars that have occurred in our history... I bet none of you can tell me what provoked World War I, World War II, and Vietnam. It's very sad the position our country is in now. Remember the 1930's? Lets pay attention to how history tends to repeat itself.

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I bet none of you can tell me what provoked World War I, World War II, and Vietnam.

I'm guessing mercurio said this because only he knows the real reasons those wars started and that the reasons everyone learned in history class were wrong.

I think that conspiracy theorists are just paranoid. I do believe that our government hides some things from us (like aliens), but in general, it would be rather difficult to concieve such plans as 9/11 or the moon landing with a bureaucracy that cannot even pass a bill without a year or two of debate. lol

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Originally posted by mercurio:
Take a closer look at how those buildings fell, and ask yourself if jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt concrete and steel buildings 110 stories high at free fall speed.

I know this is a really, really, really old thread but I couldn't resist. That is such an asanine statement!
Maybe jet fuel can't burn that hot, but maybe the fact that those steel and concrete buildings had just BEEN HIT BY A PLANE!!! I think that would weaken the supports of any building, jet fuel or not.

hahaha welcome to Youthnoise

Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

There's no oil fields in Vietnam. We went there because Russia was backing Northern Vietnam and trying to "spread communism." So us being big bad America just had to step in because well it's Russia and we were dealing with the Cold War at present. Russia tried this tatic of luring us into a dispute with them again when they invaded Georgia. There are however no oil reserves in Vietnam. The place is a friggin jungle. Plus if there were oil reserves there don't you think that Vietnam would be a little wealthier? Also during the 60's and 70's we didn't give a shit about oil because we had an over-abundant supply of it hence why it was only 50 cents a gallon 35 years ago.

Do you even know how hot explosive jet fuel is? It's over 1000 degrees C. Besides it didn't melt the steel it just weakened it to a state where it couldn't support itself.

Any idiot who has studied the Civil War in school knows it was started by numerous factors. But the main reason was because the south tried to secede and Lincoln knew he couldn't let that happen so the north had to go down and kick ass. Dur stop acting like you're smart just because you've studied a topic in school.

Obviously desert storm and the iraqi war are about oil, everyone already knows this. well anyone with half a brain anyways.

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It's about time you all stop listening to everything the media tells you. Take a closer look at how those buildings fell, and ask yourself if jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt concrete and steel buildings 110 stories high at free fall speed.

Where is the implication here? That 9/11 was some sort of governmental conspiracy? That something other than terrorist hijackers crashing planes into the WTC caused the towers to fall?

Instead of sitting around thinking about how your government is out to get you, why not target that energy and creativity into figuring out how to solve the problems of the world? Now that would actually be time well spent...

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"WWII we choose not to be involved until our country is attacked (attacked with militia not a group of extremists even though the japs could be considered extremists in a few perspectives) so we decide that as the whole world is fighting, the way of life for all powerful people is threatened so we step in. Just skip the Korean war I suppose since everyone just disregards it and on to Nam which like the "war" in Iraq isn't a proper war (congress did not vote for either). Nam and Iraq are very similar in the early stages, we're "scared" of commies and we decide to aid South Nam in order to stop North Nam (aided by our rivals the USSR) It's a bitter end to the cold war. Now we have Iraq... we never quite finished desert storm so now we're over there I believe that is why we went to war (There was afterall no proof of weapons of mass destruction to begin with) we wish to finish what we started back in the 90's."

We were involved in the war long before Japan attacked us. USA involvment is mainly based on one thing, Oil. We were doing everything short of sending fighting troops. We were supplying the allies with supplies. The CIA was covertly helping China. However what caused Japan to attack us was the decision to cutoff our oil sales to Japan. Japan had no oil reserve, and no suppliers other than us. When Japan was cutoff by the USA, this crippled them, this put the pressure on them to do something about it because the clock was ticking. Japan made a error in judgement, they thought that if they attacked the US and took out most of our naval fleet we would not attack them but be forced to bargain with them, and start selling them oil. We went to NAM because we had are sights set on oil fields in southeast Asia. The gulf war started when Saddam's forces began moving towards US owned oil fields, we could care less about Kuwait. So what have we learned here, that the US being a capitalist country, therefore are involvement in war is soley for oil which in turn equals money.
With this considered its obvious that the war in Iraq was for oil, and not terrorism. Think about all the fighting in Africa, we dont go there at all, theres no oil. Why does everybody ignore the fact that the middle east contains the last large supply of oil. If you still dont agree, consider this, the Bush family have been oil tycoons for many generations, they also go way back with Saddams family, the Bush dynasty has been buying oil from Saddams family for the last 60 years. Who went to Iraq to wage war in an area full of oil fields, George Bush, and his son GW.
The people who attacked the trade center were Saudi Arabian, not Iraqui, and not the Taliban in Afghanistan. We have no problem with Saudi Arabia, because they sell us cheap oil.
Wake up people, do some research dont just go by what people teach you. You probably think that the civil war was fought because of slavery.

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Originally posted by bluemist:
Exactly. Whenever someone from the Mid-East is mentioned, we automatically think they are terrorists. They are are good and bad people over in Iraq; not all of them are bad. I do believe there are good and bad Iraqies; I appoligize if you think not.

There are good and bad people everywhere in the world, regardless of origin, sexual orientation, sex, race, etc.

Though I do understand the points of all in this forum I think it is important to point out the usfulness of public fear to those in power. this is not to suggest that our governments caused these terrorist attacks but that once they occour it makes the population of any country very easy to control. people don't seem to mind attacking a country once it has attacked theirs whether it will help the situation or not. in america after 9/11 people where crying out for a responce, if there had not been one the country would be in uproar. so why not complete an unfinished job and kill too birds with one stone. it is quite clear that in order to take millitary action it is not the injustice etc that is required but a benifit to your own country. otherwise we would have invaded Rwanda during the geniside and helped out many other countries in desperate need. It is difficult to imagine in possitions out of power such as ours but everything has to be worked out, ideals for justice and truth being worth any and everything we have is just not a reality. i think that any leader of a country in the G8 will know that even if they are unable to admit it.

So what points are either of you trying to address? Are you trying to say that all these wars weren't caused by terrorists? Are you saying that people don't attack other countries? Neither of these posts have much of a point...

I think what merc-merc is trying to say (and remember these are assumptions unfortunately) is that only we have started our wars... Well we don't really start wars we just kind of butt in. WWI the archduke Ferdinand is shot by rebels which leads to a war between its allies and enemies... we join because well I can't remember exactly why I have to say but I think it has to do with us being part of the Allies. WWII we choose not to be involved until our country is attacked (attacked with militia not a group of extremists even though the japs could be considered extremists in a few perspectives) so we decide that as the whole world is fighting, the way of life for all powerful people is threatened so we step in. Just skip the Korean war I suppose since everyone just disregards it and on to Nam which like the "war" in Iraq isn't a proper war (congress did not vote for either). Nam and Iraq are very similar in the early stages, we're "scared" of commies and we decide to aid South Nam in order to stop North Nam (aided by our rivals the USSR) It's a bitter end to the cold war. Now we have Iraq... we never quite finished desert storm so now we're over there I believe that is why we went to war (There was afterall no proof of weapons of mass destruction to begin with) we wish to finish what we started back in the 90's.

Now back to the original post... if you're trying to say that wars aren't started by terrorist activity (which is something I regretfully have to assume for lack of purpose) I agree and disagree with you. There are many factors that start wars religion, power, money and if the conditions are right then a good old amount of threatening and terrorist activity will scare the bajeebies out of most people who will demand for something to be done. And thats why I believe you are both right and wrong. ^.^

and banturon don't be so unproductive and contradictory... do you honestly think that you have all the answers? if so I would like to hear them.

I was going to point out how all those wars started, but I realized that there would be no way of teaching a fool who believes he already has all the answers.