now i dont mean to be un-patriotic or any thing but i think we have alredy lost.
I think binladen did all he wanted too pretty much all of the western world is paranoid about terrorists and the like. now last weekend i was talked to by police for taking photos at a train station. i mean what kind of idiot accuses somone of being a terrorist for taking photos.
I have come to a conclusion yes terrorists are assholes but i dont see any of them living among us...we have nothing to fear.

The War on Terrorism was lost before it began. How do we wage a war on an immaterial enemy such as "terrorism". Pure and simple, terrorism is violence because all violence leads to some form of intimidation. We use violence. We worship violence in our media. We fund and train violence--or did we forget the CIA guerrilla manuals we gave to the jihadist organizatiosn when they fought the Soviets. What happened on 9/11 was advocated by our CIA as guerrilla tactics in those very same pages, except we didn't mind them killing Russians of Afghans.

Anyway, the DoD renamed renamed the "War on Terrorism" as the "War on Islamic Fundamentalism". The media hasn't adjusted to the change, but can you think of anything more absurd than the United States of America: World Ideology Police?

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who said we were bombing Iraq?

Anyone who was watching the news during 2002. And anyone who was watching the news in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. We may not be carpet-bombing the country, but we're still dropping bombs, mainly to kill extremist leaders. I'd say that counts as bombing Iraq.

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:
Who is he and why should I trust him?

Michael Medved is yet another right-wing talk radio personality. And although this sentence is probably redundant, you shouldn't.

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even ask Micheal Medved!

Who is he and why should I trust him?

bombing? who said we were bombing Iraq? if we bomb, the only place that we would bomb is only millitary bases! Sadam Hussain was bombing his own people. why? because they didn't do what he said! even ask Micheal Medved! for those of you who live in San Diego, you can find him at 1170AM KCBQ or for those of you in the states and not in San Diego, you can find your Frequency in your city at http://michaelmedved.com/stationfinder

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or at least brought an end to the soviet union)

actually we beat the USSR by bankrupting them. We beat them to death with our defense spending

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Because of this, the war on terror will (realistically) never be won, at least not by force.

I agree. The only way we won the cold war (or at least brought an end to the soviet union) was not by beating it with our military but by introducing the countries under its rule to capitalism. I think the war on terrorism is kind of the same way. The only way we have a chance of reducing terrorism is to take away the terrorists support base. Give people who side with terrorists less reason to hate the U.S. And that can't be done by bombing them!

The war on terror was doomed from the beginning, just like the wars on Communism (during the Cold War) and anarchy (during the late 19th and early 20th centuries). You can't wage war on an idea, especially when the adherents to that idea are as decentralized as most Islamic terrorist groups are. Indeed, Islamic groups aren't the only ones, but they're the most dangerous ones. At least groups like the IRA and the Tamil Tigers have leadership. Al-Qaeda? We don't even know if bin Laden is still alive. And even if we killed him, who's to say another leader wouldn't just rise up in his place? The problem with fighting religious groups is that every terrorist killed becomes a martyr, attracting more people to those groups. Because of this, the war on terror will (realistically) never be won, at least not by force.

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(note that I'm not referring to Muslims in general)

Whoops! I think you just did
Not to mention Basque separatists ETA which are faithless, or colombian paramilitary groups which are ultra right wing and catholic

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Who the fuck said anything about Muslims in the first place? Asshole.

Indeed the IRA, ULA and INLA are some of the best terrorist orginizations and are all christians

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Originally posted by kibukun:
terrorists are a bunch of selfish, murderous, hateful people that don't care about anyone except themselves ( note that I'm not referring to Muslims in general)

Who the fuck said anything about Muslims in the first place? Asshole.

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Actually, the situation is the opposite. We can't win. You can't destroy an enemy that doesn't exist. There are no terrorist, the only thing that comes near are angry people that hate the US for various reasons, and many times this hate is justified.

Indeed, terrorism is a tactic, not a group

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And I'm certain that is what they want you to believe.

Read the Europol report for 2006 on terrorist activity. If you have any common sense you'll see that they(who?) want you to believe exactly the opposite. The threat of terrorism is hugely exagerated by western media, if you make a statistical analysis of the ammount of time and space terrorism recieves in newspapers and television, and then actually compare it to the number of attacks that have managed to harm anyone on western soil you'll see what I mean.
This is not debatable, just look at the numbers, it's obvious.

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i don't know about having nothing to fear but terrorists are the religion of hatred, selfishness, violence, and stupidity. (note that i say stupidity because their stupid enough to mess with the states) and also terrorists are a bunch of selfish, murderous, hateful people that don't care about anyone except themselves ( note that I'm not referring to Muslims in general) and we have not lost, we can't lose. the people of our military are better trained. and we have better weapons and better technology than they do. the only reason why we have nothing to fear is because we are in a "can't lose" situation. if people say we can't win then everyone will lose confidence and courage, and then we will lose. if we keep rooting for the US then we will win. so keep on rooting! go America!

Actually, the situation is the opposite. We can't win. You can't destroy an enemy that doesn't exist. There are no terrorist, the only thing that comes near are angry people that hate the US for various reasons, and many times this hate is justified.
No matter how many countries we bomb, and how many people our army kills, that hatred will still be there unless we change our foreign policy, which is responsible of creating some of the most inhuman and unjust circumstances the world over.
The US isn't the solution, the US is the problem.

Don't say sorry for being unpatriotic, being a patriot now is senseless.

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I have come to a conclusion yes terrorists are assholes but i dont see any of them living among us...we have nothing to fear.

And I'm certain that is what they want you to believe.

Something tells me more terror plots are foiled than just the ones we hear about...I don't think Homeland Security feels the need to clue us in to everything they are working on...

i don't know about having nothing to fear but terrorists are the religion of hatred, selfishness, violence, and stupidity. (note that i say stupidity because their stupid enough to mess with the states) and also terrorists are a bunch of selfish, murderous, hateful people that don't care about anyone except themselves ( note that I'm not referring to Muslims in general) and we have not lost, we can't lose. the people of our military are better trained. and we have better weapons and better technology than they do. the only reason why we have nothing to fear is because we are in a "can't lose" situation. if people say we can't win then everyone will lose confidence and courage, and then we will lose. if we keep rooting for the US then we will win. so keep on rooting! go America!